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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: alternate picking - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: alternate picking - Recent Posts en Sat, 30 Jul 2016 22:35:56 +0000 andrew jazz on "technique : hybrid legato/alternate picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/technique-hybrid-legatoalternate-picking#post-4724
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Mon, 30 May 2011 11:38:55 +0000
andrew jazz 4724@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think it depens from what style you are playing. for example I cant play legato in gipsy style tech. but I saw last video with Bireli Lagrene, he played on gipsy acoustic guitar with hybrid tech. it was interesting and I liked it more than tradition gipsy style. I think we should play what we hear in a moment when we play. </p>
Quintricacy on "technique : hybrid legato/alternate picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/technique-hybrid-legatoalternate-picking#post-2218
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Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:45:23 +0000
Quintricacy 2218@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I pick the second way you mentioned, Filters. I hammer the 3 and pick 1 and 5 and it works for me but as said before, in the end it&#39;s all down to the individual. </p>
david6strings on "technique : hybrid legato/alternate picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/technique-hybrid-legatoalternate-picking#post-2207
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Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:47:13 +0000
david6strings 2207@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i think the more you pick in the weak eights and the less in the strong the more it swings following the first exemple in a loop</p> <p>pick 1 ** pick 3 then hammer 5 pick 1 hammer 3 pick 5 pull off to 1 **pick 3 then you got the pattern</p> <p>but not in a way so rigid you can pick the first eight of each beat and try to hammer on, pull off or slide to the second eight of each beat. of course when you play you don&#39;t have two do this on each and every beat, just for study you can do it </p>
david6strings on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2188
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Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:23:22 +0000
david6strings 2188@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>im agree with arewolf i have integrin order to intate alternate and now i&#39;m beginning with the jimmi bruno book aplying his concept 4 a few licks in order to get it naturally </p>
Floatingbridge on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2068
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Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:43:59 +0000
Floatingbridge 2068@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>What a beautiful way to state this, arewolfe. </p>
arewolfe on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2066
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Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:41:29 +0000
arewolfe 2066@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think it makes sense to first focus on alternate picking. Once a guitar player starts incorporating sweeping/raking motions into their playing, economy picking will just sort of happen. Once a guitarist starts understanding the feel of where the &quot;up-beats&quot; are within 8th notes and 16ths they they&#39;ll start to &quot;naturally feel&quot; where they should be doing down strokes, and where they should be doing up strokes... this will allow the guitarist to go from alternate to economy and back to alternate picking, all within the same line.</p> <p>I learned about alternate picking about 4 months after I started playing guitar. Before that I played using ALL upstrokes, which is really funny to think about now. I found alternate picking very challenging which made me determined to practice it all the time. I became very regimented on using it strictly in everything I did. </p> <p>At this point economy picking just sort of &quot;happens.&quot; If I play a 3-note line across 3 stings, there&#39;s no way I&#39;m going to alternate pick it, (except if I&#39;m practicing and trying to specifically alternate pick everything. It&#39;s so much harder for me to alternate pick big arpeggios that could be swept, so sometimes I&#39;ll practice that specifically... for no good reason, other than the fact that it&#39;s hard!). </p>
andyjazz on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2064
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Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:20:53 +0000
andyjazz 2064@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Sandemose, yeah the old forum was great. This one is cool too, and keeps getting better. Regarding Kurt, he used to use a Dunlop 207 Jazztone, but switched a few years ago to Fender Extra Heavies. As far as strings go, one of the reasons he likes Thomastiks is that they stay in tune longer. He said they last about three gigs before he has to change them. He hasn&#39;t done an interview for a while where he talks about what gear he uses, I just know this from talking to him. </p>
Sandemose on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2061
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Thu, 15 Jul 2010 03:51:52 +0000
Sandemose 2061@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I also think Kurt uses D´Addario .013s, forgot what pick he uses. He talked about gear on the old forum, then he played Polytones and used Line6 delays...man...those were the days...how long ago is this..?</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
NAS on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2060
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Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:29:32 +0000
NAS 2060@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Forgive me if im wrong but shouldnt a guitar player learn both and develop what is natural? I have an incredible teacher but never have had the battle between alt and eco picking come up. Actually I&#39;ve heard alt picking but eco sounds made up, sorry no offense, i appreciate the term. To me its a more natural thing then taught. Do you pick alt? or Eco? I think in the end all of us are thinking too much because we all do both! </p>
inournight on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2059
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Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:59:16 +0000
inournight 2059@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Andy I could have sworn Kurt plays with .13s I don&#39;t remember where i read or heard it exactly! I simply thought he had been on the heavier side of things, and in not only strings..</p> <p>:) </p>
larry on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2054
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Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:02:41 +0000
larry 2054@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi Andy. Thanks for that. Im using Ti George Benson flats on a Les Paul for jazz and Ti plectrum 10s on my small bodied acoustic, although<br /> I might try 11s next. Ive also been using a very light pick- Dunlop nylon 46 for certain things, sounds amazing, I cut them in half like<br /> Joe Pass did, I alternate between my thumb and pick. Thanks again..LG. </p>
andyjazz on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2053
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Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:36:06 +0000
andyjazz 2053@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thomastik .12 round wounds with a Fender Extra Heavy pick! </p>
larry on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2052
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Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:01:37 +0000
larry 2052@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m a new member to the forum,but not to playing guitar-[56years]. I&#39;d been using alternate picking for most of the time , then a few years ago I was watching Russell Malone playing with Diane Karall, and realized he was using nothing but down strokes, is that alternate<br /> picking? I dont know, anyway that&#39;s all I use now and my playing has improved tenfold. I also use my thumb more [Wes], and that&#39;s even<br /> better, it makes you use down strokes ,i&#39;t&#39;s hard to back pedal with the thumb. As a matter of interest, what technique does Kurt use,and does anyone out there know what strings [and gauge] he uses to get that sound?..LG. </p>
colinmanko on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-2013
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Fri, 09 Jul 2010 02:29:33 +0000
colinmanko 2013@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I only use economic picking. I consistently had teachers that told me I should change, and others that embraced what was different. I never changed and I have absolutely no problems with chops, except that anyone&#39;s can always be better. </p> <p>I studied both and found that economic made more sense to me and after that I just let whatever happen happen. I never stressed about it. </p>
jazznan on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-1917
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Sat, 26 Jun 2010 22:32:49 +0000
jazznan 1917@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>jimmy bruno has got a book on picking that lots of people seem to find useful, maybe? </p>
Matt on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-1901
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Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:08:07 +0000
Matt 1901@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You would never learn only how to cook one meal, right?<br /> My point is that both are extremely useful and should be mastered. I like alternate picking because it makes accenting a helluva lot easier, but economy picking sounds so smooth and effortless. I&#39;d make him learn alternate picking, along with his economy picking, and show him situational advantages for both. </p>
cruxtable on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-1899
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Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:08:15 +0000
cruxtable 1899@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i would definitely recommend the economy approach... i&#39;m trying to switch over myself (i only do it naturally in one direction). the idea is that you never want to pass over a string that you&#39;re going to pick, it&#39;s wasted time and effort..but it would take a lot of practice to get down if you&#39;re used to alternate. your student is in a good place since he&#39;s already doing it, i&#39;d say let him stick to it. as long as he&#39;s picking cleanly, accurately and steadily. if not, he just needs to shed it a bit more.. as do i. </p>
Anonymous on "alternate vs. economy picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/alternate-vs-economy-picking#post-1898
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Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:20:55 +0000
Anonymous 1898@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i was trying to get a student of mine to use alternate picking instead of economy picking but he was a bit resistant. i never use economy picking and figured i should talk to some other folks to get their view on it. i dont want to force something something on a student just because i dont have experience or knowledge of it. </p>
Colonel Trane on "technique : hybrid legato/alternate picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/technique-hybrid-legatoalternate-picking#post-687
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Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:19:16 +0000
Colonel Trane 687@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I would try to stay away from practicing pure alternate picking and use economy picking instead (starting everything that goes down a string with a downstroke and up a string with an upstroke regardless of previous motion). For the legato I agree with Pascau to let the sound dictate where you pick. </p>
Pascau on "technique : hybrid legato/alternate picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/technique-hybrid-legatoalternate-picking#post-680
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Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:38:58 +0000
Pascau 680@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>If I&#39;m practicing something like that, I let the sound I want dictate where the hammer ons/slides etc go. For example, usually hammer ones will sound at least a little bit quieter than a picked note, so I would pick where I want the emphasis in the line. I think thats something that after a while you&#39;ll start to do naturally, but I remember switching from gypsy style picking to alternate picking for one my college teachers. It took ages, but it was worth it, as I can now mix both. </p>
Sandemose on "technique : hybrid legato/alternate picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/technique-hybrid-legatoalternate-picking#post-678
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Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:20:13 +0000
Sandemose 678@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>filters: this stuff is so hard since its so individual. I once in a time was very occupied by this stuff. It didnt help me much, what helped was just playing alot. Still, I dont deny the fact that you sometime have to sit down with certain things and just deal with them. When the playing is controlled/limited by a systemiced technuiqe, I think there is something wrong. It should be the other way around, your imagination dictating your body. The better technuiqe you have, the more options you have, the vider the vocabulary you have access to, the more sensitive your dynamics/touch are/is the more transparant your body will be. The body is a prerequisite for the soul (or what ever is inside of us) to express it self. At the same time, the body limit the freedom of the soul. At times they get really close/tight and there might be a lift off. </p> <p>Sorry for that quasi phiosofical drivel. This is what I do:</p> <p>Which technuiqes is there at all?</p> <p>Picking, legato, sweeping, hybrid, etc.</p> <p>If I would practice tech. for lets say 1 hour, I would spend at most 15 minutes of just plain technuiqe excercises. Legato chromatically ascending/descending in some patterns, really focusing one doing it correctly. Then I would play, as I always play over changes/tunes what ever. Same thing with picking. Some basic exercises playing scales, arpeggios and what not, concentrating on sound and touch. Then I would just play for the rest of the hour as before. What I think happens is when you reenforce repertoir of technuiqes parallell, they all will contribute to your arsenal, providing you different options for different situations. When you are in those moments, you wont have time to think, what ever happens happens sort of.</p> <p>For meself, I hate my technuiqe. I dont trust myself, if you know what I mean. I would like to have a perfect picking tech, with a very transparent pick touch but with the range dynamic posibilities picking provide. </p> <p>Good luck!</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:33:25 +0000
animitta 676@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hy Filters,<br /> for this kind of picking etude i will strongly raccomend you to check for this book from Jimmy Bruno:<br /> Jimmy Bruno - The Art of Picking<br /> It was great for my picking also if i still suck : )</p> <p>All the Best<br /> Animitta </p>
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Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:56:22 +0000
filters 674@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi all,</p> <p>This forum is really cool. Lots of good stuff !<br /> Recently I&#39;ve been trying to change my technique. I&#39;d like to play faster lines ala Mike Moreno/Lage Lund. I tried to practice alternate picking for 3 months and there&#39;s some progress but I realize that to get a more Moreno-like feel I should practice legato. I don&#39;t really like pure legato (one stroke and the rest pull off and hammer on). So I&#39;d like to work on some hybrid legato+alternate picking.<br /> I tried to play simple things at first (one string exercice, scales) but I don&#39;t know when I should pick<br /> for example : 1-3-5 (on any string). Do you pick the 1 and 3 (and hammer the 5) or the 1 and 5 (hammering the 3)?</p> <p>Both might be cool but I can&#39;t find a way to sound good, especially when I change the string and try to play a full scale pattern.</p> <p>Anyone is practicing this technique? Anyone might have some book reference or videos?</p> <p>thank you !</p> <p>ps : sorry for the english, I did what I could!! </p>