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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: Big Band - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: Big Band - Recent Posts en Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:20:22 +0000 jorgemg1984 on "Have ya'll read this?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/have-yall-read-this/page/2#post-5824
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jorgemg1984 5824@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Yeah I think about Mark Turner a lot, where is this man?! He doesn't even has a website. "Dharma Days" is brilliant and its what, ten years old? (although he has released two Fly records... the first one is phenomenal!) </p>
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ronensha28 5823@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>haha i love how u get from one subject so far to the other side. and because of that here some jazz from the other side of the world. hope u'll like it, its a band called "Third World Love" u should check them up....</p> <p>____________________________________________<br /> "i never play what u'll want me to play"<br /> <a href="http://www.superenalotto.org.uk/">superenalotto</a> </p>
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jeromesteele 5749@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Mark Turner hasn't released a record under his own name since "Dharma Days." He is an extreme example of not releasing superfluous drivel that happens to be recorded. I just wish he was a bit more liberal with his output, he's hardly in danger of flooding the market. </p>
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Wed, 12 Oct 2011 04:41:26 +0000
jezeline 5746@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>@jshore: thanks for your words, I love the wayne shorter story, sooo true! </p>
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Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:39:05 +0000
jshore 5744@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>First time visiting this forum, but I'm pretty shocked to see the reaction to that post!</p> <p>I was thrilled to "hear" Kurt say that shit— it's very, very true. Takes balls to call people out too, but there's a lot of gutless music being made in NYC right now under the "jazz" umbrella. Kurt's absolutely right, people need to CARE about their music, like they care about something essential in their life. Not play music because "it's what they do" but to critically look at their work, revise and painfully limit their output to music they LOVE. And to respect whenever you fail to do that. The audience can feel that connection immediately, and I think that's a large part of what makes Kurt such a beautiful musician and improviser. From the first note you can really feel the love he has for not only his music, but in the act of creation in itself. That spark is much too rare, and can be found in every great artist.</p> <p>Wayne Shorter once told me that the way he tried to stay original was to "play his life and his self." It's a simple idea, but often overlooked. I rarely hear ANYONE's life or soul/self in their music, especially compositions these days, but rather an attempt to "be fresh" by exploring an unusual polyrhythm, or progression/substitution or something as the focal point. And beyond that, the lack of preparation and vision required to execute those ideas properly. Wayne basically said the only way too be truly fresh is to play yourself, because nobody's been you before, and I think that's a great thought (and one that takes a TON OF WORK to be able to do...)</p> <p>And y'all are crazy, K's solo on the title track of OSW is one of the baddest in a long career of bad solos. Super lyrical, inventive, risky and beautiful. That's what it's about!</p> <p>ps. sorry about the rant, but there was some uncalled for, offensive BS thrown about in here, and I don't get the chance to hop on the soapbox very often... guess i'm pretty late to the party though</p> <p>also i love how the tags in the corner are "big band, jazz, kurt, and sucks" hahaha </p>
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Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:32:40 +0000
Floatingbridge 5672@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I'd like to suggest comparing produced vs. Live ( or representations thereof ). I found myself replaying that awful sound quality and sideways YouTube clip of kr and ojm at iridium or somewhere NYC of ' turns' the energy and quality of playing is high. Bigband can get corny 70's and it's not. </p>
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Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:24:03 +0000
patfarlow 5671@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I shouldn't have said " I think the OJM record sucks" that was was poorly articulated. I would like to say I am thankful Kurt did something so adventurous and complex like a big bad record. That being said, I still reserve the right to my opinion, just more empathetic and helpful in delivery. I'm still an avid listener of Kurt's accomplishments. </p>
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Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:26:17 +0000
mattymel 5631@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Anybody criticizing Kurt for speaking his mind is part of the problem he is speaking to. The whole point is he said something he was feeling AT THE MOMENT. The whole issue he is addressing is the COMPLETE LACK of spontaneity most current jazz has. Guys spend years learning every note he plays dissecting harmonies, playing with the same guitar effects, and no time playing with a group they put together trying to make something thats theirs. Sadly, this seems to go WAY beyond guitarists too. People need to start playing what they hear and not what they think is harmonically "hip" enough for public display. </p> <p>Personally I cant stand it when I hear every single young dude I go see biting from the same well. </p> <p>Hilarious how someone saying something everyone knows is true gets blown up and exaggerated so fast. If anyone has the balls to say something people may not be ready to hear, it should be him. I agree with all of it. </p>
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Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:32:30 +0000
riverstooge 5619@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I'm always curious to hear any updates on KR method book personally. I think that would answer questions that I wouldn't even think to ask. </p>
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Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:37:26 +0000
patfarlow 5614@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You cant get a jewel without the friction. why dont you just ask kurt your question about "harmony or the like"<br /> and see if he answers? </p>
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Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:36:28 +0000
jorgemg1984 5607@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Even better - check his book "Forward Motion" </p>
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Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:32:29 +0000
riverstooge 5605@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Just sayin'; WASTED TWO PAGES of a forum (that KR actually responded in) talking shit about absolutely nothing when we could've maybe learned something from Kurt about harmony or the like. At least nobody started another thread recently about challenging people to play as fast and as clean as someone on youtube...then we'd really be getting out of hand. :/</p> <p>On the positive....I found some cool stuff on youtube searching Hal Galper Masterclass, if no one's mentioned it or seen it, check it out. </p>
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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:34:58 +0000
patfarlow 5583@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I transcribed the solo from "view from moscow" on "the remedy", sick solo and my favorite KR album so far.IMO </p>
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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:09:40 +0000
wilmore 5582@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Sandemose, that shit is hilarious! Dude looks like nigel tufnel from spinal tap. </p>
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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:35:30 +0000
Sandemose 5581@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>jazznan and Kurt: I thought you guys were talking about Monica Zetterlund and Bill Evans. Man, this is getting out of hand. </p> <p>This is my idea of jazz</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31eReSNRrhU&amp;feature=feedf" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31eReSNRrhU&amp;feature=feedf</a> </p>
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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:02:38 +0000
monk 5579@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>kurt rocks cus he's got balls to speak about how/what he feels - that's honest jazz</p> <p>stay cool as you are mate </p>
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JorgeRubiales 5578@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>LOL </p>
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mrzzajjazz 5575@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Let me get this straight, so Monica is jazz, Kurt is Bill, but who or what is the cigar? Kenny G? </p>
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jazznan 5574@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hahaha, I'm glad you laughed, I was trying to be funny-forgive my droll sense of humor. Got love this bizarre conversation...I wish I could sit down with all you guys and shoot the breeze, I think it would be fun...I was just pissing myself laughing at the Monica thing, so I couldn't resist ;) </p>
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kurtisrosenwinkel 5573@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>hahaha man thats funny, i hope youre not serious. everyones treating jazz like a whore?, lol. whos treating jazz like a whore? hahaha jeezus. </p>
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jazznan 5572@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>What about Monica? Nobody cares about her. Why does everyone treat the woman like a whore, and not the guys? In this scenario is Kurt "Bill Clinton" and Monica "jazz"? Maybe that's why nobody cares, cause everyone's treating jazz like a whore. You should care about women and treat jazz with the respect she deserves. </p>
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david6strings 5571@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>first of all, nobody have the must to be agree with nobody. there is not only a truth at all, that is what is true. i subscribe denjz's words and the analogy of the lake's waves by animitta is amazing, yes kurt, now you realize you are famous, you already knew that. do you remember the stupid monica lewinsky scandal. yeah, it depends on who you are. if i sleep with her nobody cares, but when Clinton did...yes. sad but true. i'm sorry for kurt, but everybody learn from this happenings, we must do. best for kurt and the forum member guys. </p>
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wilmore 5570@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>lots of stuff going on here. I've always thought if music makes you feel good, then it's good for you. one person's poison might be another's medicine. </p>
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Matt 5569@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>as an aside, i wonder how it feels to be Kurt reading these opinions... </p>
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Quintricacy 5568@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Just a few things to say. On the good music vs bad music discussion: I have always felt that not all music is equal and I have never really agreed that everything is on the same level as everything else. Because music is such a personal thing for everyone it can be very hard to discuss good and bad without someone going nuts because they think it's great. For me the best analogy is by using books. If you compare the works of lets say James Joyce or J.R.R Tolkien to maybe Dan Brown or someone who writes romance novels, yes they are using the same words and building blocks to make a story but Joyce and Tolkien are far better. So for me I don't view Britney Spears as an equal to Kurt or Coltrane or any of the jazz greats over the last 50 years because simply put their music is better.</p> <p>As for the OJM record, it's not something that I have on heavy rotation but I think Zhivago is actually the best arrangement on the whole album. Whoever did that arrangement really tried to explore some avenues that the other ones failed to do. I was disappointed by Turns because I felt that was going to be a tune that can be really worked with and explored and taken to another place. And this is just a personal thing but I felt that the drummer isn't that great. But that's just me, I'm very picky when it comes to the drums. </p>
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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:36:33 +0000
arewolfe 5567@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>"If u dont like listening to Jazz then dont. If that is the case, then how would u expect other people to listen to your music ?"</p> <p>@Joxo: I don't care if anyone else listens to my music. Playing music is a release, that's all. </p>
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jazznan 5564@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey Kurt after that comment, I feel like we're all football players and I just wanna slap yer ass and say, "c'mon!" Hahaha, love the passion in this discussion, about time, if you ask me, that's what jazz needs, passion and intensity...not people going through the motions and making sure everything is in it's right place, "c'mon!"</p> <p>Also, to Kurt a big thank you and much respect for not shutting this discussion down, yeah, have your one rant, but why shouldn't you voice your opinion...you're more invested in this discussion than most, and I think taking to the internet is a powerful tool, that you should use to express, clarify inform and shape the discussion of jazz and music-instead of waiting for someone to interview and ask silly generic questions all the time, be proactive!</p> <p>(As to the 'riverstooge" comment, this is where things start to break down and just start to get dumb) </p>
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Dorian Grey 5563@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>riverstooge "Kurt Rosenwinkel is more popular than Jesus" amen to that brother! :) </p> <p> The OJM album is great! and you know what? "Zhivago" sound like a GOOD 70's detective show theme song to me and i love it! :) </p>
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thoeller 5562@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>First of all, it is definitely helpful to express the positives in music, BUT, you need to be critical to progress. If you have been/or are critical of your own and others music then you probably will/ or soon will experience and understand what Kurt is talking about. Of course people will blow up all over these words, but these kinds of things can become quotes that 50 years from now people will look at and go "wow that was a revolutionary thought for the times." ,,,, it could also go unnoticed... Do any of you think that we should pay more attention to our musical values? What is the most important part in music right now? </p> <p>I often notice that people think "jazz musicians are improvisers, thats what we do! Don't tell me how to play my instrument! I've been studying for 8 hours a day for 5 years or 10 years or 20 years! let me do what I do!" I really dislike this perspective. To me this is so limiting, especially when learning to play the music of a composer(who hears all of the instruments playing together in a specific way to create one amazing experience). The notes/dynamic markings on the page are only a small part of information on how to play the music correctly so IMO get off your lazy ass and start working with the composer to get the music right! Don't just slap on a Latin feel or straight 8ths or some shit like that. much like in a rock project. you get that part/feel down perfectly or don't play at all. Music sucks when it is not cared for and nurtured in this way.</p> <p>Lots of jazz is now recycled. "oh yah I know how to play jazz! you feel it like so and so on those blue note records. Now I know how to play music! I've got it all figured out!" No you do not. a 5 year old child could come up with an idea that could make a brilliant album. There are infinite ways to play an infinite amount of things. I think part of what is meant by Kurt and others is that this care is not put in. I can definately hear the care kurt puts into his music and it's amazing. </p> <p>I really love OJM by the way. what I've learned recently is that you can enjoy any piece of music, you just need to develop a positive connection with it. so if you decide oh that sounds like a 70's detective theme song show(and you don't like 70s detective theme songs) then you've just ruined it for yourself by categorizing it that way. It doesn't have to be that. and neither does Britney Spears or any other music. This is a fact. We all naturally decide what is good or not by adding non musical information to the music. like this artist cares this much and has someone else write the music. or they lipsync so i don't like it. Really at the end of the day remember that you are the one that decides what music is good and bad mostly by those bits of information. Personally every time I've had a good experience with music, words cannot describe my joy or experience I'm having.</p> <p>Also Jason Marsalis' point about people playing bad jazz and then scaring people away from "real jazz music". i think this is more an issue with the name "jazz music" that probably cannot be solved. He just doesn't like how jazz music seems dead to lots of people because all there exposed to is "crap jazz"</p> <p>Regards to everyone on the forum and I hope you have something to say about this stuff. </p>
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riverstooge 5561@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>"Kurt Rosenwinkel is more popular than Jesus" </p>