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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: Biggie Rhyme - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: Biggie Rhyme - Recent Posts en Wed, 29 Jun 2016 03:39:44 +0000 docbop on "Notorious B.I.G. played jazz!" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/notorious-big-played-jazz#post-8610
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Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:13:37 +0000
docbop 8610@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Isn't this kind of a chicken and egg thing talking Jazz players using Rap phrasing. But checkout the stuff Hip hop and Rappers were sampling for their early tune a lot of Grant Green's funky stuff from the 60's and other 60's Funky Jazz and Soul music. </p> <p>As they say you want to play like &lt;fill in the blank&gt; then listen don't listen to them, listen to what they listened to. </p>
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Sun, 16 Sep 2012 01:55:06 +0000
anjroo.burg 8589@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>That's an interesting observation because Biggie actually learned a lot about phrasing from Donald Harrison before he was "Biggie". They used to live near each other in Brooklyn.</p> <p>Also, Josh Redman phrases just like a rapper sometimes, esp. on "Put in Your Pocket" from Momentum. Nick Payton too for that matter on the same track. </p>
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Sun, 28 Nov 2010 18:45:04 +0000
david6strings 3361@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i&#39;m interested in the video exemple you put here but it has beem deleted. somebody can get a link for this? </p>
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Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:18:22 +0000
Floatingbridge 1503@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>mxr also makes a 6 and a 10 band eq. pedal( obviously the 6 is cheaper) and i had similar issue (but at that time it was a problem caused by pickups not being properly wired from factory...nonetheless ). using the eq gave me a definite boost period.initially, i got excited by being able to raise bass and vanish mids and so forth but realistically i found that i didnt have to deviate too much from flatline( zero) to shape the tone to compensate for the guitars problem. environment does matter and effect things.just set your volume and put the eq on your lap so you can adjust things as you check out your lix n&#39; trix in different positions and chordal stuff till you are getting closer to what you want.i paid $90 at a local shop;obviously if i werent such an inpatient loser it was more than likely cheaper online from them( but mess with it at a store...preferably not guitar center; its difficult to gauge whether you dig something or not when you have a kid on your left playing a pink b.c.rich slowly churning out crazytrain with 5 false starts through a crate halfstack and an old guy on your right histrionically bubbling through stevie ray&#39;s version of little wing out of the fender deluxe ,all the while that fake satriani xtreme motocross espn rock is pumping through the house system overhead only to be interrupted by: &quot; accessories line 2 accessories line 2; i need a manager for a void at pro audio, manager to pro audio&quot;. </p>
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Mon, 05 Apr 2010 01:32:57 +0000
Alvin 1496@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hehe, I had a quite opposite experience:<br /> the sound which sounded mildly distorted to my ears at home became heavy metal when played with double bass and drums...<br /> So yeah, tweaking and listening :) </p>
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Sat, 03 Apr 2010 05:42:43 +0000
denjz 1493@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Well, it seems like you&#39;re doing the right thing:using booster or overdrive helps to add more treble to cut through without sounding too thin.<br /> I noticed many times that all the cool tones and settings I found at home didn&#39;t work with the band...it was very frustrating until I realized that with the loud band you can add more gain and it still sounds like it&#39;s pretty clean,so the tone that you would define as &quot;quite distorted&quot; at home will become almost clean with the band...<br /> Using too much delay can make the sound messy so careful with that...<br /> ...but generally there&#39;s no rules,so it&#39;s all about tweaking ang listening...<br /> Hope this helps </p>
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Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:17:28 +0000
Alvin 1492@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey!</p> <p>Yeah, above all, the room you&#39;re playing in (including the amount of crowd) makes a huge difference. Also sometimes the age of your strings, the length of your fingernails on your picking hand etc...<br /> The other interesting thing is what my teacher pointed out when I approached him with the same problem. He said something like: every day your fingers are different.<br /> Thus getting the exactly same sound every day is close to impossible :)</p> <p>All the best!<br /> Alvin </p>
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Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:49:38 +0000
thelonious77 1491@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>thanks for the answer<br /> I think you&#39;re right about the amount of people in the room<br /> The way the rythm section plays makes a huge difference as well I think.<br /> May I ask u what kind of devices do you use? </p>
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Fri, 02 Apr 2010 06:52:21 +0000
denjz 1487@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The sound you&#39;re getting very much depends on the acoustics of the place you&#39;re playing in.There are so many factors that can affect the sound : how big the room is,how many people there are,how loud you&#39;re playing and of course what are the other instruments in the band - just to name a few...<br /> In your case I assume the amount of people in the room was different,thus the acoustics...<br /> An &quot;all purpose amp/fx setting&quot; would be a dream come true for all of us,but...<br /> I&#39;ve been to one show with Kurt where the guitar sound wasn&#39;t so good...actually,it was pretty much what you described: too dark,not very defined with lots of reverb.Just like you said,the guitar was burried under the rest of the instruments.So...I guess even Kurt doesn&#39;t always have control over everything... </p>
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Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:56:12 +0000
thelonious77 1486@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey cats, Its great to be able to share here and i&#39;ve learned a quite a few things from reading posts written by people that seem to be quite involved with the music! Anyways,<br /> I&#39;ve been recently messing around with pedals in order to come closer to the sound i hear in my head. I used to be a guit to amp kind of guy for a very long time trying to let my fingers do the job. It had it&#39;s good sides but I felt limitated when playing in certain settings especially when I&#39;m playing all the melodies and driving the band.<br /> Using a delay (line 6 big green ped) and a mxr booster seem to help me get closer to what i m looking for and that has been working quite well ( throug a polytone amp). However sometimes in the same room with the same settings and playing with the same guys, the sound becoms messy and lacks precision. The guitar sounds like it is drowned in revereb and lacks presence. Anyways not to be able to go to the gig and have the same king of sound all the time drives me crazy.<br /> I don&#39;t know about you guys but when i listen too my favorite players wether they are old school or modern they always seem to have a control over that electronic stuff.<br /> Did you guys find a way (a ped/amp/ setting combination) that alows you no to think about it anymore and just play music? I know that mr. Rosenwinkel sure did or did he?<br /> Thanks for all replies. I wich you good music!<br /> T. </p>
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Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:35:06 +0000
add4 160@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello everyone.<br /> Lately i&#39;ve started working music by writing down every exercise i&#39;d play and i feel this might be a way of developping this kind of &#39;rhyming&#39;. I mean, when you are, for instance writing a &#39;toy&#39; phrase over some simple changes, using some constraints. you usually end up developping some creative way of putting notes together on the paper, and you will, for instance, try to write your phrases so that they are related in a way or another. Then you play it and if it sounds cool, you continue exploring that way ..<br /> I don&#39;t know if that&#39;s explained clearly, but i wondered if anyone had some comments on that or experienced that feeling when writing down his exercises. </p>
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Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:15:20 +0000
Anonymous 138@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>c0ltrane- yea man, thats exactly it... I was watching the vid and heard a real strong rhyme, and boom, its at 3:35. Cool...</p> <p>Another guy that came to mind as far as rapping over the barline was Del, like his stuff on Deltron 3030. It feels a little more unnatural i would say, but i think it something that you get used to and then it sounds cooler (in the same way a 9 starts to sound like a resolution, or how a major 7th starts to sound more consonant...etc). What I&#39;m wondering about is what is underlying this difference between &quot;accesible&quot; (biggie) over the bar rhyming and more &quot;innaccesible&quot; (del) over the bar rhyming? Havent really thought about it too much yet, but I think its interesting... </p>
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Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:01:27 +0000
mikeythunderfunk 129@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I get it too kittles, and it&#39;s fantastic. I&#39;d be interested to hear if you guys are into any other rappers besides Biggie. I&#39;m a big fan of Mos Def. His solo stuff as well as his work with Talib Kweli in Blackstar is great. He has some very cool phrasing ideas in some of his songs, and his new album &quot;The Estastic&quot; is a really great hip-hop album. </p>
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Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:48:19 +0000
kurtisrosenwinkel 121@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i know EXACTLY what you mean! </p>
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Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:43:27 +0000
c0ltrane 119@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hehe i&#39;m glad you posted this. I do know exactly what you&#39;re talking about. Where someone plays a phrase in a certain way and maybe at the end of the next chord (or anypoint soon after the first phrase) they end it in a similar fashion but different note choice, giving a sort of &quot;rhyme&quot; feel to the line. </p> <p>Kurt does that a lot when he plays the next step in this video:</p> <p>@<br /> 2:11-2:17<br /> 2:50-2:57<br /> 3:29-3:35 This is a really cool one. Totally has a rhyming vibe to it.<br /> 4:24 - 4:30</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0YBH0U0TT8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0YBH0U0TT8</a></p> <p>Let me know if you agree </p>
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Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:52:12 +0000
Anonymous 115@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I know kurt is a fan of biggie, and I figure many of the other people on here are too, so I thought id point out an observation I had about Biggie- He plays over the bar! If you think about his verbal (musical) phrases being delineated by the rhyming syllables, Biggie, more than just about any other rapper, plays phrases over the bar and maybe even the &quot;form&quot; (4 bars, 16 bars whatever you want to call a rap &quot;form&quot; i guess). Not to mention his pretty damn sophisticated rhythmic vocabulary, and murderous improvisational skills... see 1:50 of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-2I07UM_EA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-2I07UM_EA</a></p> <p>When you think about it, rhymes are really just acoustic concepts and don&#39;t have to limited to words, and Im starting to think that there is alot of musical &quot;rhyming&quot; going on, where two or more &quot;adjacent&quot; phrases (ignoring phrasing ambiguity) are united by a common ending (maybe a similar gesture at the end of each, or a similar interval, or something less concrete). Can&#39;t say exactly what does it, but I hear some lines and I think they rhyme... anyone else kind get what I&#39;m talking about or experience it? First guy that comes to mind is keith jarret, like some of his mid tempo stuff with the trio. Certainly heard Kurt do it too. Im aware this concept sounds totally unclear still, but im hoping someone will just be like &quot;yea man, i know EXACTLY what you mean!&quot;... </p>