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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: comping - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: comping - Recent Posts en Sun, 31 Jul 2016 01:40:06 +0000 fakejake on "Basic voicings" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/basic-voicings#post-14470
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Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:17:45 +0000
fakejake 14470@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi all,<br /> Since my comping skills are very very basic, I decided to set some time aside and work exclusively on comping, both on rhythms and on voicings.<br /> Being an amateur player I don't have a lot of time for practicing, so I want to work on the most basic and most useful and applicable things to become a well rounded player.</p> <p>What would you say are the most useful voicings to work on?<br /> I have the drop 2 voicings on the high and middle strings pretty much down, and this is what I mostly use for comping in band situations. Drop 3s I only know with the bass on the low E string. For comping in duo situations I mix Drop 3s with drop 2s on the middle strings.</p> <p>Do you think it makes sense to learn drop 2s on the low strings as well, and drop 3s with the bass on the A string? Do you guys use that in your everyday playing? Some of the voicings (e.g. with the 7th in the bass) don't sound that pretty</p> <p>Also, where do I go from there? Is there any other type of chord construction (i.e. drop) that is common to use for most standard tunes?</p> <p>I'd be very interested in your suggestions and experiences!<br /> Cheers! </p>
wflynn13 on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11853
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Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:27:05 +0000
wflynn13 11853@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Mike's one of my favorite players. I've transcribed a lot of his stuff, although I haven't really gotten into his comping so much--mostly single-note lines.</p> <p>You can see my transcriptions here: <a href="http://www.williamflynnmusic.com/transcriptions/" rel="nofollow">http://www.williamflynnmusic.com/transcriptions/</a> </p>
reggit25 on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11845
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Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:52:37 +0000
reggit25 11845@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Wonderful tune! I would love to know too if anyone has any idea??</p> <p>J. </p>
Gesture on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11841
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Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:37:25 +0000
Gesture 11841@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrrm01ejHro" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrrm01ejHro</a></p> <p>Who knows the name of this song? </p>
gleepglop on "transcribing comping tips?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/transcribing-comping-tips#post-11749
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Sun, 06 Oct 2013 12:24:10 +0000
gleepglop 11749@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Along the lines of jorge's suggestion: to improve your ability to hear inner voices, play a three-note chord on the piano or guitar, and work on moving just one or two voices:</p> <p>* move upper note, listen to lower two<br /> * move lower note, listen to upper two<br /> * move upper and lower, listen to middle<br /> * keep upper and lower static, move middle voice</p> <p>This helps your ear practice home in on particular voices. Singing helps, too, as always. </p>
jorgemg1984 on "transcribing comping tips?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/transcribing-comping-tips#post-11748
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Sat, 05 Oct 2013 21:35:13 +0000
jorgemg1984 11748@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Play 3 random notes on the piano and try to sing the middle voice (check after). Increase the number of notes and always try to sing the middle ones (the bass and the top are usually easy). Has helped me hear inner voices on voicings... </p>
Matt on "transcribing comping tips?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/transcribing-comping-tips#post-11747
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Sat, 05 Oct 2013 13:58:31 +0000
Matt 11747@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>so i'm wanting to transcribe some of Jim Hall's comping/chord voicings, specifically from 'big blues' with red mitchell (here, specifically 4:26-5:50). i was curious if anyone had tips on how to go about it, or maybe approaches that would be helpful in successfully transcribing it. thanks, all the best </p>
smoke on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11602
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Mon, 05 Aug 2013 10:32:13 +0000
smoke 11602@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I don't know what your money situation is like, but you could email him about lessons. He teaches via Skype and could probably tell you his chordal philosophy directly. I haven't studied with him so I have no idea if he is a good teacher. </p>
Gia5 on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11585
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Thu, 01 Aug 2013 07:38:45 +0000
Gia5 11585@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The tune is UMMG (Upper Manhattan Medical Group) by Billy Strayhorn. </p>
reggit25 on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11584
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Thu, 01 Aug 2013 00:23:29 +0000
reggit25 11584@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Does anyone know what song they are playing in the video?<br /> J.</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wartllMbyiY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wartllMbyiY</a> </p>
Neither on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11182
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Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:09:09 +0000
Neither 11182@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks Benny for your answer.<br /> I've got Andrew Green's book. It's a great book but it talks about a much more traditional comping than Mike Moreno plays.<br /> I've got the Tim Lippincott video about modern Jazz Guitar (Harmony), and it's one of the best thing I saw on the subject.<br /> But my question is about the "real thing" great players play (voicing, rythm and harmony), about transcription of what they play.<br /> I search for this kind of thing, but for a modern guitar player :<br /> <a href="http://www.timfischermusic.com/lessons/dowar.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.timfischermusic.com/lessons/dowar.pdf</a> </p>
Benny on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11181
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Fri, 19 Apr 2013 07:47:22 +0000
Benny 11181@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi Neither,<br /> I can't see the videos as I'm at work but there are two sources of information on this subject I would recommend:<br /> 1. The book 'Jazz Guitar Comping' by Andrew Green;<br /> 2. The 5 part video lesson series 'Modern Jazz Guitar' by Tim Lippencott at mikemasterclasses.com - the 'harmony' video has plenty of information on "contemporary" comping approaches. </p>
Neither on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11180
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Fri, 19 Apr 2013 06:29:33 +0000
Neither 11180@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Did anybody ever transcribe Mike Moreno (or Adam Rogers, Kurt Rosenwinkel, Jonathan Kreisberg or another modern jazz guitar player) when he comps behind a solist ? Any help would be great.<br /> some examples :<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEzLqZGWdw4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEzLqZGWdw4</a><br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etg0GEDGpZ4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etg0GEDGpZ4</a><br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNBzGKRD4JU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNBzGKRD4JU</a><br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwRTcEkoQlU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwRTcEkoQlU</a> </p>
smoke on "Kurt and Ted Greene" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurt-and-ted-greene#post-7819
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Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:49:03 +0000
smoke 7819@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>hi, by the way anyone remember what the simbols means the x the white circle and the X ??? </blockquote></p> <p>David, the codes are as follows, as best I remember:</p> <p>Black dot (s) - strike first<br /> 'X' - strike 2nd<br /> Square - Strike 3rd<br /> Triangle - Strike 4th<br /> White circle - optional note, can be added or left out as desired. </p>
geetarted on "Kurt and Ted Greene" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurt-and-ted-greene#post-7782
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Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:45:49 +0000
geetarted 7782@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Modern Chord Progressions was a bible of mine when I was working out my chordal style and concepts. I still like to check it out once and a while. One of "THE" great chord books EVER. check out at.</p> <p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/45467897/Guitar-Book-Ted-Greene-Modern-Chord-Progressions" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/45467897/Guitar-Book-Ted-Greene-Modern-Chord-Progressions</a></p> <p>Have fun learning! </p>
david6strings on "Kurt and Ted Greene" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurt-and-ted-greene#post-7770
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Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:49:19 +0000
david6strings 7770@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>hi, by the way anyone remember what the simbols means the x the white circle and the X ??? </p>
sternj20 on "Kurt and Ted Greene" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurt-and-ted-greene#post-7769
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Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:11:01 +0000
sternj20 7769@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>any chance you or any one else would be willing to re up the clinic? it was originally uploaded to megaupload which is no longer in service... </p>
Bob McBobbington on "Kurt and Ted Greene" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurt-and-ted-greene#post-7763
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Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:17:23 +0000
Bob McBobbington 7763@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <br />
smoke on "Kurt and Ted Greene" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurt-and-ted-greene#post-7762
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Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:09:17 +0000
smoke 7762@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I was listening to Kurt's 2006 NGW clinic today and was really struck by his demonstration of putting a chord on every beat of a tune. It kind of sounds like stride piano and I have recordings of Ted Greene doing something along those same lines. It really sounds amazing.</p> <p>If anyone has ever checked out any of Ted Greene's comping exercises on the website set up to distribute his lessons, there are quite a few similarities to what Kurt plays in the example. I am curious if anyone has checked them out and what you think of them? I wonder if Kurt ever studied w/ Ted? </p> <p>If you haven't checked them out, there are some really great ways to expand your vision of harmony on the guitar. Here is a really nice example on the tune 'When Sunny Gets Blue'</p> <p><a href="http://tedgreene.com/images/lessons/comping/WhenSunnyGetsBlue_Comp.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://tedgreene.com/images/lessons/comping/WhenSunnyGetsBlue_Comp.pdf</a></p> <p><a href="http://tedgreene.com/teaching/comping.asp" rel="nofollow">http://tedgreene.com/teaching/comping.asp</a> </p> <p>Just tossing it out there in case anyone digs that sound. </p>
thoeller on "Kurt's Blues Comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurts-blues-comping#post-3920
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Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:08:02 +0000
thoeller 3920@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjyjxIOS9Ic" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjyjxIOS9Ic</a> I especially like his blues comping in this video around 4 minutes, im sure lots of you have seen it. theres so much to soak in from this video in terms of four to the bar comping in the style of kurt. </p>
JorgeRubiales on "Kurt's Blues Comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurts-blues-comping#post-3917
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Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:20:49 +0000
JorgeRubiales 3917@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think he might be doing something he commented on another clinic, that is playing a chord with every melody note. So basically it would be a chord melody solo with chords with every note. I might be perfectly wrong too lol </p>
Neither on "Kurt's Blues Comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurts-blues-comping#post-3912
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Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:24:06 +0000
Neither 3912@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Sorry, I can&#39;t help. But can you share your transcription ? </p>
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Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:27:33 +0000
riverstooge 3911@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m sure you guys have seen this video <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onv_aMBXdCM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onv_aMBXdCM</a> The video starts in the middle of his playing so it&#39;s hard to tell how it develops. Does anyone have any input on what his methods may be? I transcribed most of it and I see some patterns, I&#39;m just curious if you guys have any ideas. Cheers. </p>
silverwater on "quartal harmony" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/quartal-harmony#post-3644
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Thu, 06 Jan 2011 22:17:39 +0000
silverwater 3644@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>One concept Ive developed using this shape:</p> <p>x8889x (or xx3344) [fm11]</p> <p>...I&#39;ve found that min7, dom7, and maj7 chords each have 4 of these that that can be played without any &quot;avoid&quot; notes. To find them, I just go by the note in the highest voice.</p> <p>- For min7 chords, the note in the highest voice can be the b7, R, b3, or 4th, like this for Dmin7:</p> <p>(x5556x) (x7778x) (xx7788) (xx991010) </p> <p>See how the top voices are F, G, C, and D?</p> <p>- For Dom7 chords, the highest voice can be the b7, R, 4th, or the 5th.</p> <p>- For Maj7 chords, the highest voice can be the R, 2, 5, or the 6th.</p> <p>The min7 ones give you a dorian sound, the dom7 ones give you a sus4 sound, and the maj7 ones give you a lydian sound.<br /> _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________</p> <p>The other things that I do with quartal harmony: </p> <p>- Be able to play up and down the neck through the major, harmonic minor, and melodic minor scales. </p> <p>- Learn all the inversions ( I generally stick to 3 note voicings for these)</p> <p>- Take a tune, for example &quot;Solar&quot;. You know what major, harmonic minor, and melodic minor scales can fit over these chords. Start somewhere on the neck with a quartal voicing. Move up to the next available voicing, using half notes. The notes that you have available are the notes that you&#39;d be playing if you were playing a single note solo. Don&#39;t worry about beating on &quot;avoid&quot; notes, or don&#39;t worry that you&#39;re not playing enough chord tones to outline the changes. It&#39;s not going to matter. The bass player will be outlining the changes anyways. The point here is to be musical, not to outline exactly a bunch of ii-V-Is that have been played enough already over the years. </p>
Neither on "quartal harmony" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/quartal-harmony#post-3638
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Neither 3638@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You&#39;ll find some answers here : <a href="http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/quartal-harmony-adaptation-over-standards" rel="nofollow">http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/quartal-harmony-adaptation-over-standards</a> </p>
Matt on "quartal harmony" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/quartal-harmony#post-3637
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Matt 3637@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i&#39;m trying to get into using more fourth type voicings, and i&#39;m curious how you guys go about using them; i&#39;ve used them to great extent over &#39;blue bossa&#39; (using diatonic fourths for minor and harmonic minor), but otherwise, i haven&#39;t found ways to use them. </p>
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Neither 707@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Sorry for the formulation using a kind of riddle formulation...<br /> &quot;Neither&quot; is a Morton Feldman Opera </p>
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Sandemose 704@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Neither: I...dont...know :( &quot;Me stupid...&quot;</p> <p>Sandemose </p>
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Neither 702@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey Sandemose,<br /> &quot;Rothko Chapel&quot;, by Morton Feldman.<br /> Why do you think my username is Neither ? </p>
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Sandemose 696@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Neither, my absolut favorite contemporary classical music piece is Allan Petterssons symf.no.7 (dir. Antal Dorati). Its quite traditional and insanly beutiful. I also love, Schnittke, Kurtag, Penderecki (oh my God what a monster composer), and that composer who wrote Rothko chapell (I´ll have to look it up).</p> <p>Someone said that if Kurt would be an interval, he would be a fourth. For me, Kurt is a fifth, haha :). ACT would be major sixth since he seems so happy and positve all the time. I sometimes feel pathetic and sorry for myself = minor third. :)</p> <p>Regarding quarter leaps: this is a arpeggio involvning major seconds together with perfect fourths:</p> <p>I use a quite awkward (&lt;--thats a awkward spelling, right?) fingering, that might not work for everybody. The code sequence is fourth/second</p> <p>Gm7<br /> Starting on G up a fourth, starting on C up a fourth starting on F<br /> --------------------------5--------------- ------------------------------10------------ -----------------------------------15-------<br /> -------------------3--5------------------- ----------------------8--10---------------- -------------------------13--15-----------<br /> ----------------2------------------------ -------------------7------------------------ ---------------------12---------------------<br /> -------------5--------------------------- ---------------10--------------------------- ----------------15-------------------------<br /> ------3--5-------------------------------- -------8--10------------------------------- -------13--15-----------------------------<br /> ---3--------------------------------------- ----8--------------------------------------- ---13--------------------------------------<br /> F:2 1 3 4 1 2 4 3 F: similie F: similie</p> <p>I do a slight hand position shift to make room for my 2:nd finger on the low E-string. The reason why I do this is because I find it easier to play sequences of notes, like ostinatos when using one finger per note, instead of tweaking the finger and barring the joint of the finger. Sometimes I just have to bar, and then Ill do it. I just try to avoid it.</p> <p>Code sequence second/fourth:</p> <p>Gmaj7 * = b9 (Maj7b9?) * = b9, and also the #5 on the last one to the right<br /> -----------------------2----- ------------------------4*-------- -------------------------------9----- -----------------------------------11----<br /> --------------------5-------- ---------------------7---------- ---------------------------12------- -------------------------------14---------<br /> --------------2--4---------- --------------4--6---------------- --------------------9--11----------- --------------------11--13*-------------<br /> -----------2----------------- ------------4---------------------- -----------------9------------------ ----------------11------------------------<br /> --------5-------------------- ----------7------------------------ -------------12--------------------- -----------14-----------------------------<br /> --3--5---------------------- --5--7--------------------------- ---10--12-------------------------- --12--14---------------------------------</p> <p>I dont know about you guys but I think the b9 works in the context of the sequence. Im not writing out a fingering, I havent thought about it yet. Hope there´s something intresting in there...</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>