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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: ear training - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: ear training - Recent Posts en Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:45:48 +0000 Gesture on "Sight-Singing and Transcribing Melodies" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/sight-singing-and-transcribing-melodies#post-14113
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Sat, 23 May 2015 06:12:30 +0000
Gesture 14113@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>yes it does. Check out Modus Novus if you want some challenging a-tonal ear training. </p>
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Fri, 22 May 2015 21:02:25 +0000
sam 14112@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I have found that singing helps my ear. I took a class in which we had to sing twisted atonal melodies from composers like Bartok, Stravinsky, Schoenberg. Mastering a few of these melodies was more helpful than singing many simple ones, I found. It helped me hear interesting non-diatonic lines in my solos. </p>
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Sun, 17 May 2015 22:47:43 +0000
Jason Sioco 14105@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I recently purchased EarMaster Pro 6 and its on the way. The reason why I purchased the program is because of its sight-singing feature. I did sight-singing at school and I did terrible with the sight-singing component, but I was fascinated by it. I was fascinated because, I saw some famous instrumentalists like Victor Wooten, Janek Gwizdalala, Steve Vai etc, who sings and simultaneously play on their instrument what they sing. </p> <p> My goal is to instantly recognize melodies, just by listening. I have been with musicians, who harness that skill. I felt that singing the pitches and internalizing them will help me with that, but I am not sure.</p> <p> Does sight-singing help with transcribing melodies? </p>
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Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:50:27 +0000
aramaya 13774@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I teach theory and ear training at a small college, and have had some great success getting students to hear chromatically<br /> in about 3 months of work. In my opinion and experience from teaching, if you can sing/hear a major triad,<br /> you can hear the rest of the pitches.</p> <p>From root, 3rd, and 5th you can fairly easily hear the other pitches. 2 and 7 pull towards 1; 4 pulls to 3; and 6 drops into 5.<br /> Once you have this established from the major scale, then work on singing a b7 and b2 (again resolving to 1),<br /> and then #4 and b6 (resolving to 5). The only pitch you haven't learned is the b3, which is in the minor triad.</p> <p>We are at the end of the 1st semester and pretty much my entire class can sing all qualities of triads (Aug, maj, min., dim.), all 7th chords (maj7, 7,-7, -7b5, dim7), all major scale modes, and Harmonic/Melodic Minor. They can also sight sing this stuff<br /> using wide leaps (ex. 1,6,2,7, 9, 3,1)</p> <p>These aren't people who came in with any significant training,anyone can do this in my opinion if it is presented in the right way. The problem students have with hearing larger intervals is the perceived no man's land between for instance the Root and 6. If you hear the triad, this is easily solved, and you are ultimately only listening for half steps and whole steps with their proper resolutions in tact. </p>
Poparad on "Ear Training for Instrumentalists by Matt Glaser" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ear-training-for-instrumentalists-by-matt-glaser#post-13772
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Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:07:42 +0000
Poparad 13772@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The more and more I play, the more I realize that I can get all I need out of transcribing recordings. Transcribing changes is great for your harmonic ear, lines for your pitch. Try singing the line back first before playing it on an instrument or writing anything down. See if you can transcribe a simple solo entirely with your voice and paper. Books can be useful at the very beginning, but pretty quickly, even the best books become a distraction from learning real music in real situations. The more practical you can make your practicing, and the less removed it is from a real performance, the better results you'll get. </p>
Jason Sioco on "Ear Training for Instrumentalists by Matt Glaser" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ear-training-for-instrumentalists-by-matt-glaser#post-13771
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Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:46:09 +0000
Jason Sioco 13771@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I discovered a book on the internet called Ear Training for Instrumentalists by Matt Glaser. I tried many ear training methods and softwares and they all failed to give me a good ear. The book contains 6 cds and I like the content of what's on it, but maybe they are just hyping me up to buy their product. The ear training method that I find most effective are those methods that have singing on it or singing what you play. This book has singing in it.</p> <p>Is this book a cure to give me a good ear or is it another scam? Anyone here using this book or have heard of this book? </p>
Gesture on "Is singing the most effective ear training method?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/is-singing-the-most-effective-ear-training-method#post-13685
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Mon, 03 Nov 2014 15:38:03 +0000
Gesture 13685@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks! I'm about 30 pages into the book and i have the feeling it will be very useful for me. While studying jazz and being constantly overwhelmed with information it's good to have something like this book that really digs deep into the fundamentals of music. </p>
laruenickelson on "Is singing the most effective ear training method?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/is-singing-the-most-effective-ear-training-method#post-13684
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Mon, 03 Nov 2014 01:50:44 +0000
laruenickelson 13684@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Not really sure how to explain.....in a way it's a more organic way to hear music. A lot of singing but also integrating other things as well...like singing and playing the bass notes and tapping all at the same time. It seems really basic...and it is but I feel working out of this book has made my hearing much deeper and more complete...best book I ever bought. I have even had people tell me they have noticed a difference playing with me so I would say it had a positive effect. </p>
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Sun, 02 Nov 2014 09:23:48 +0000
Gesture 13681@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>IDK about steve vai singing along with his playing but I do know that he used to transcribe Frank Zappa's music which greatly increased his hearing.<br /> The donelian ear training exercises which are discussed on this forum are great but might be a bit 'dry' for some. It's basically singing scales / chords in many different ways.<br /> I find transcribing straight to paper a great way to train my ears. It's a lot of fun and it teaches you vocabulary and other stuff that you wouldn't get from just singing.<br /> Still definitely (sight)sing because you'll want to be able to sing everything before you play it on your instrument.</p> <p>Thanks for the book link larue I just bought it. I was a bit surprised to only find text though. Could you shortly explain how the book works? </p> <p>Cheers </p>
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Sat, 01 Nov 2014 15:56:27 +0000
laruenickelson 13679@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I would say so.<br /> Check out this book---I believe I have improved more in the past year or so since I got the book than in the previous 10. A lot of singing ideas</p> <p><a href="http://www.glenlyonbooks.com/order.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.glenlyonbooks.com/order.htm</a> </p>
Gia5 on "Is singing the most effective ear training method?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/is-singing-the-most-effective-ear-training-method#post-13678
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Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:10:05 +0000
Gia5 13678@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I agree, singing is a powerful tool.<br /> You could try this exercise (I was told John Patitucci does it): sing all the seven modes from the SAME root, without an instrument.<br /> When you get good at it, you can move to the modes of melodic and harmonic major. </p>
Jason Sioco on "Is singing the most effective ear training method?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/is-singing-the-most-effective-ear-training-method#post-13677
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Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:10:18 +0000
Jason Sioco 13677@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>It has been proven for hundreds of years, that singing is the most effective method of ear training. There is a big disconnection between you and the music. To make music live inside of you, you need to internalize the tones. We internalize the tones by singing and the tones get connected to your brain. </p> <p>One playing technique that is used by players named Steve Vai, Janek Gwizdala, and Victor Wooten is singing what you play. That means you sing a melody, and the instrument follows simultaneously to what you are singing.</p> <p>I started this approach in my ear training regimen on October 26, 2014, I never missed a day and I believe I am going to the right direction.</p> <p>So the most effective ear training methods are transcribing and singing. I transcribe everyday as well.</p> <p>I could be wrong, but I am interested in what you have to say. </p>
callum on "How to transcribe chord voicings for piano and guitar?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/how-to-transcribe-chord-voicings-for-piano-and-guitar#post-13655
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callum 13655@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I reckon just knowing lots of chord shapes in general probably helps. That and knowing lots of tunes, that way you can recognise longer chains of harmony, rather than just individual chords.</p> <p>Those two things definitely help me in any case. </p>
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Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:04:15 +0000
jorgemg1984 13654@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I do an exercise on the piano that helps... Play an x number of random notes in block (3 minimum). Try to sing them by order and then check by playing them one by one. This has helped me hearing inner voices beitter... bass and top notes are easy to hear, the middle ones are tricky :) </p>
Pauli Poulsen on "How to transcribe chord voicings for piano and guitar?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/how-to-transcribe-chord-voicings-for-piano-and-guitar#post-13653
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Mon, 13 Oct 2014 02:27:39 +0000
Pauli Poulsen 13653@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Basically what Poparad said. Listen a bunch of times. Pick out individual notes the stick out (usually the bottom and top notes will be the most obvious). Then play some educated guesses until you have something that sounds like a match. </p>
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Poparad 13652@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Step 1: Bang head against wall repeatedly<br /> Step 2: ?<br /> Step 3: Chords!</p> <p>Just like transcribing solos, there's not much secret to it other than just doing it. A lot. Your first attempts will be awful and mostly wrong, and it will slowly get better from there.</p> <p>I try to hear the bass note first (even if the piano or guitar isn't actually playing it, just to get my bearing for what type of chord it might be), then the top melody voice of the chord. From there I try to match the quality I'm hearing, but not the specific voicing (like maj7 vs dom7 vs m7, etc). From there, I'll try and get closer still. If I hear any particular notes jump out, I'll write them down. I'll try out different voicings and extensions until I find something that sounds like a match. </p>
Jason Sioco on "How to transcribe chord voicings for piano and guitar?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/how-to-transcribe-chord-voicings-for-piano-and-guitar#post-13651
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Jason Sioco 13651@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I am taking Jazz Piano lessons at York University and my teacher and I are also doing ear training in my music lesson. My assignment is to transcribe “My Romance” by Ella Fitzgerald and “Barbados” by Charlie Parker. He expects me not to just transcribe the melody, but to know the chord voicings by ear. I am not getting marked on it, but it’s something I would love to do for the rest of my life. I have no experience transcribing chord voicings. It’s something I have never done before. Is there a step-by-step procedure to transcribe it systematically? </p>
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Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:07:23 +0000
the loneliest monk 10459@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Your ears + the world + concentration. </p>
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Thu, 06 Dec 2012 11:24:46 +0000
arewolfe 10457@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I was using Auralia a lot this year. The level 4 "cluster chords" option is pretty cool. </p> <p>Another thing that has really started to help my ears was a DIY approach I got from Garrison Fewell: </p> <p>press record on Garageband, sit down at a piano, play a brief power chord drone to establish a key, and then melodically play 3, 4 or 5 completely random notes. Do this for 5, 10 or ever 15 minutes. Then make the recording into an mp3. Then make a playlist in iTunes called "Ear Training" or whatever. If you do this a few times a month you start to build up a nice little ET library. </p> <p>Listen back with your instrument in-hand and try to sol-fege the random notes, or just play them back on your instrument. I suppose another approach would be to play the power chord drone, then play little 2, 3, 4, or 5 note random harmonic structures. Then when you listen back try to transcribe them on paper or reproduce them on the guitar. </p>
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emma 10455@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I use<br /> on PC : EarMaster<br /> on Android : <a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.myrapps.eartraining" rel="nofollow">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.myrapps.eartraining</a></p> <p>I am also looking for some hands-free version. It should play some interval/chord..., wait and than "tell" the right answer. Anyone knows something like that? </p>
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Wed, 07 Nov 2012 02:37:50 +0000
tonik101 9993@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I've been using Auralia ear training software since university and love it. Lots of great exercises that can help you to hear/identify melodic, harmonic and rhythmic elements. </p>
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silverwater 6247@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I don't know about his Perfect Pitch course, but his Relative Pitch course really opened up my ears to be able to sing and instantly recognize things. I remember I felt like I was just beating a dead horse and not really getting anywhere with standard ear training programs, but that Relative Pitch course really helped me to be more confident in recognizing what I was hearing. What was also good was I was able to get away from recognizing intervals by relating them to common songs, like m7=Star Trek, etc. </p>
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jorgemg1984 6240@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I tried his Perfect Pitch course and didn't found it very good actually - maybe the Relative Pitch one is better but I doubt it... That site has lots of great info about ear training don't know why I forgot to post it.</p> <p>Yeah that 2 syllables is probably the major issue with "singing by numbers", but I got used to it. I was never a big fan of the "moveable do" system, I find it very confusing (and probably because in Portuguese we call the notes do re mi fa sol la si do and not C D E F G A B C as you do) </p>
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silverwater 6234@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Has anyone else used Relative Pitch Ear Training by David Lucas Burge? It's not a program, but a 5-CD set of exercises that I think really covers all aspects of ear training very well. I highly recommend this.</p> <p>For Android: Perfect Ear Pro</p> <p>Website: <a href="http://www.iwasdoingallright.com/tools/ear_training/main/" rel="nofollow">http://www.iwasdoingallright.com/tools/ear_training/main/</a></p> <p>@Matt: With regards to "singing by numbers", do you run into many problems with having 2 syllables to sing (like "flat fiiive")? I've always used moveable do solfege for singing, but I never think "do re mi" unless I'm singing an exercise, so I think singing on numbers could be good. </p>
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jorgemg1984 6226@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I understand your last sentence - I think it's almost mandatory to do that on "Time Remembered" for example. </p>
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gleepglop 6220@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I seem to hear it both ways, almost simultaneously. First I hear it in relation to the tonal center, but also in relation to the root of the chord. I don't know how to explain it, but once you know both sounds, they are not really separate. </p> <p>If the tonal center is shifting or ambiguous, the relationship to the root tends to be more prominent. </p>
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jorgemg1984 6217@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Interesting. Any more opinions? </p>
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arewolfe 6216@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I hear everything related to the tonal center (i.e. b9 on a V chord is b6 pulling towards the 5th of the key)</p> <p>In minor keys I always hear pentatonic as the basis, and all the other notes around those 5 can come and go. </p>
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jorgemg1984 6213@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>An interesting question on ear training: when you are improvising on a standard tune do you hear 1) tonal (always related to the tonal center even if you play the b9 of the dominant - this means hearing it as the b6 of the tone) 2) chord by chord (everytime the bass changes you adjust the ear to the new chord, this means hearing that note as a b9) </p>
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jorgemg1984 6209@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I meant just singing but works both ways! </p>