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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: finger - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: finger - Recent Posts en Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:47:00 +0000 Floatingbridge on "Playing fourths" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/playing-fourths#post-1426
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Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:37:30 +0000
Floatingbridge 1426@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I studied with a guy that wouldn&#39;t let me barre 4ths , so things like freedom jazz dance looked like when your a kid taught to play an a chord. He could do this well - perhaps I didn&#39;t work on it enough but found that ( for me ) although it had a stiff and clean sound I couldn&#39;t get the speed. I found that if I took time to work on lifting my finger just enough to release the note from ringing but not so much as to lose contact with the string ever ( sort of like dampening with fretting hand) I can get a clear attack with out notes ringing over subsequent ones. Sid Jacobs has a Mel bay book that has a section on 4ths called &quot; may the 4ths be with you wich is useful. There is no &quot;good&quot; or &quot;bad&quot; technique though... There are ways of doing things that achieve THAT sound and maybe in the context you have in mind you&#39;ll have to find the appropriate thing for what you are trying to do ... Which conversely ,would be a deplorable way to try to achieve a different sound , right?<br /> Back to practical things, a cool other way of playing 4ths issomething Allan holdsworth has done which is playing fourths on one string ( usually as a hammer on { ...again, a different sound }) a practical example being say :<br /> ( over Cmaj7#11 ):B to E on low E strng; A to D on D strng;F# to B on A strng; E to A on G strng etc.. I have the hands of a little girl and find that this is totally possible even at 1st position with some work and observing how you hold the guitar or your arm so as to achieve this or not hurt yourself.anyways, it&#39;s a fun trick . </p>
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Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:46:03 +0000
kylesmithguitar 1371@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>...farthest away note = lowest string. </p>
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Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:45:10 +0000
kylesmithguitar 1370@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Andrew Green&#39;s technique book is about this. When I talked to him last summer, he suggested using the longest finger for the farthest away note, so for your first example, the fingering might look like 2-1-2-1-3-4, or even 2-1-2-1-2-1, with a shift. It might also help to just deal with four notes at a time, on different string sets, rather than crossing the entire fingerboard at once. Just an idea. Getting away from barring is tough, but it&#39;s totally worth it. </p> <p>Kyle </p>
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Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:56:34 +0000
Sandemose 1369@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi guys,</p> <p>Ive been posting a similar post, but this is more about how to practical execute stuff. Playing fourth diatonically through keys they in most cases are on the same frets, but also with one fret or even two frets (G-B string) appart. Ive been working on a fingering &quot;system&quot;. Its under construction, and far from finished. The thing is that I dont want to bar with anyfinger, which means that I sometimes end up with quite akward fingering solutions. The hand position is key, since you have to make room for all fingers. Problems really emerges when you get up higher on the frets. Im using sweep picking by the way. Starting on the low E-string to the high E-string, B-major. First the notes then the (fingering).</p> <p>2-2-2-3-4-4 (1-2-1-2-3-4)<br /> 4-4-4-4-5-6 (1-2-3-2-3-4)<br /> 6-6-6-6-7-7 (1-2-3-2-3-4)<br /> 7-7-8-8-9-9 (1-2-3-2-3-4)</p> <p>etc. </p> <p>Any ideas, comments, thoughts about this? Any alternative fingering solutions? </p>
Vilibald on "Finger picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/finger-picking#post-1230
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Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:38:57 +0000
Vilibald 1230@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>And Martin Taylor... </p>
Anonymous on "Finger picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/finger-picking#post-1229
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Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:34:59 +0000
Anonymous 1229@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Got to put in Joe Pass and Ted Greene </p>
Sandemose on "Finger picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/finger-picking#post-1223
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Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:22:46 +0000
Sandemose 1223@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Benny: yeah, thats the one! Ive heard alot about it, gonna check out the link right now. Perhaps hyrbrid picking can be applyed to that as well?</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
Benny on "Finger picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/finger-picking#post-1222
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Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:47:47 +0000
Benny 1222@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>&#39;Pumping Nylon&#39; is a fingerstyle (classical technique) book that&#39;s been recommended to me a few times. You can look at a big extract here: <a href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1Gsrt7Koqu8C&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=pumping+nylon&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=FS3r12tG80&amp;sig=wwRI82_Clzkvcv-5sT-pfg2fRbY&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=etpcS-CoCqD80wSM0LmCBQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=10&amp;ved=0CDAQ6AEwCQ" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1Gsrt7Koqu8C&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=pumping+nylon&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=FS3r12tG80&amp;sig=wwRI82_Clzkvcv-5sT-pfg2fRbY&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=etpcS-CoCqD80wSM0LmCBQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=10&amp;ved=0CDAQ6AEwCQ</a> </p>
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Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:33:39 +0000
Sandemose 1221@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>kylesmithguitar: Good tips dude. Thanks for sharing.</p> <p>Best,</p> <p>Sandemose </p>
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Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:30:02 +0000
kylesmithguitar 1220@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;ve been working on hybrid picking for a while, I&#39;ve got a couple of ideas on strengthening the 4th finger. For a while, I would force myself to play arpeggios through chord changes, almost in a classical style, but with hybrid picking. (pick, m, a, 4th) if that makes sense. You also might try playing through some of the giuliani arpeggio studies this way. It should help get the 4th finger up to speed. They should be pretty easy to find for cheap/free. </p>
Sandemose on "Finger picking" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/finger-picking#post-1219
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Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:40:39 +0000
Sandemose 1219@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Neither: I think Kurt plays hybrid (or I have seen him do it), and also with the pick stuck between 1th and 2nd finger like Scofield among others. I dont think Kurt plays with nails.<br /> The difference of sound between pick and the rest of the fingers will go away. Ive been just playing around with it for a while now and the sounds kinda close in on eachother, notes played with pick and with fingers that is. I play with a 2mm pick Dunlop Gator, so heavy picks might be a sollution as well, or one of many solutions. But as you said, the problem is the 4th finger. It really stands out tone wise, that together with that it almost is in the treble register (E, B strings). I play through keys on the E,B,G,D strings, most triads in all inversions, doubleing one voice depending on the inversion up and down the neck, trying to be concious about getting a well ballanced chord. The 4th finger is so weak, so its hard to find a good angle with it, the right hand gets more into a &quot;fist&quot; position which is akward for me. But I cant find any better way than to just work with it. </p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:55:23 +0000
Neither 1218@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi there,<br /> An example of finger picking by Mike Moreno :<br /> <a href="http://www.talkmarket.com/Mike-Moreno-Still-Here/619/" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkmarket.com/Mike-Moreno-Still-Here/619/</a><br /> Some of you talked about Mick Goodrick, In Pas(s)ing with John Surman, Eddie Gomez and Jack DeJohnette, is for me his best album.<br /> Sandemose asked interesting questions : &quot;Nails, or flesh? I will never be able to save my nails for this kinda stuff, and also like the sound of the fingers. How do you guys do and think about this?&quot; So do you play with nails or flesh ? And what do Kurt play ?<br /> I&#39;m working now with hybrid and one of my problem is to deal with the difference of sound between the sound of the of the pick and the flesh of my fingers. It works for me with the thumb + the 2nd and 3rd right hand fingers (3 notes voicings) but it&#39;s difficult for me when I add 4th finger (4 notes voicings). Any advices on that subject ? </p>
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Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:15:17 +0000
Sandemose 1217@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Yo Vilibald: thanks for the tips, Adam is a beast no doubt. I have checked out those records on Spotify, and thought those were great. Thanks again. I know I have posted this before, but this clip with Mike Moreno is so killing. This is what Im talking about:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGvhEivW_XQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGvhEivW_XQ</a></p> <p>Best,</p> <p>Sandemose </p>
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Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:48:49 +0000
Vilibald 1216@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Adam Rogers has some tasty fingerstyle stuff. He studied classical guitar quite thoroughly, I´ve read. Line by Line with John Patitucci and Brian Blade (with Patitucci as the leader) is a great example, as well as his lates trio record with Scott Coley and Bill Stewart (Time and the Infinite). </p>
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Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:47:56 +0000
steepcreeks 1212@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey Sandemose,<br /> I&#39;m with you on this and I&#39;ve gotten into it more over the last year in my own playing. As you mentioned I find it most useful over ballads or if i&#39;ve gotten to a part of a tune where I can be slightly more abstract (perhaps accompanying someone and creating different comping textures) and can just add some hints of color. The nice thing about it is it gives chords you are already playing a whole nother sound. I particularly like to use it over various quartal voicings. It sounds good to me here because you&#39;re essenially stacking 9ths/2nds whatever. If you&#39;re doing a 4 note voicing alternate between string sets, you&#39;ll get some nice moods. I play an L5 so I constantly am on the thin line guarding against feedback when playing these type voicings. I&#39;m actually adding a volume pedal to my line starting with tonights gig to help control this! You had an earlier thread talking about quartal harmonies and their usage, all that harmonic vocab will be instant gratification when you get that stuff going. I guess so far I&#39;ve only really gotten into P,2 voicings. So much more to be explored! </p>
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Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:23:49 +0000
Sandemose 1205@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Colonel Trane: I like analogies :) </p>
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Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:38:03 +0000
Colonel Trane 1204@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Sandemose, I really like the window of a train analogy. </p>
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Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:54:26 +0000
InWalked 1203@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Obviously guys like Tuck Andress, Charlie Hunter and Philip deGruy have tremendous counterpoint happening. Check Tuck&#39;s dvd Fingerstyle Mastery where he demonstrates rolls and applies to the changes of Stella By Starlight. I remember seeing a Mick Goodrick or Joe Diorio column years ago where he reharmonizes the Villa Lobos no.5 with more modern harmony and the results were very fresh. </p>
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Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:30:27 +0000
Sandemose 1202@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>hitdoggie: thanks for the advice, absolutly great player. Found this documentry on youtube. Its killing! By the way: you touched something important in your reply. Nails, or flesh? I will never be able to save my nails for this kinda stuff, and also like the sound of the fingers. How do you guys do and think about this?</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:44:58 +0000
hitdoggie 1199@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>How about Lenny Breau? He utilized his nails in amazing ways. </p>
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Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:40:20 +0000
Sandemose 1198@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>jazznan: Yeah, thanks for mentioning those guys. Mick Goodrick is great with that, and Abercrombie of course is a monster. What Im going for is more of the Ben Monder dimension of it. Just the fact that you can take a chord, and play it in different registers, different string sets, you can create a sense of motion (with different moods) even if the chord itself is static. Kinda like watching from a window of a train, how a field change with colours as you go by it.</p> <p>Best,</p> <p>Sandemose </p>
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Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:11:05 +0000
jazznan 1195@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think fingerpicking in jazz is underused, Mick Goodrick is a real proponent of fingerstyle playing and Abercrombie has used just his thumb for years. Kevin Eubanks just uses thumb and index for single lines and Gene Bertoncini is another guy to check out. </p>
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Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:49:40 +0000
Sandemose 1194@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi guys,</p> <p>I recently started with finger picking, from not have dealt with it all actually. I always thought it was so hard and I said to myself I didnt &quot;need&quot; it that much. Then I heard Ben Monder, and recently Mike Moreno and Brent Mason, using finger picking in different ways that was amazing. I cant believe I ignored this aspect of guitar this long. It struck me when I heard those guys (there are plenty more of course) that the possibilities are endless. I dont wanna change between pick and finger picking, so Im practicing hybrid. I basically play chords over different strings sets only playing P,2,3,4 (P = pick) and vice versa (4,3,2,P), through keys or comping tunes very slow. I imagine being able to execute this kinda stuff fast and with flow, you can paint with really unusual textures and timbres. Next step will be to create different pairs like:<br /> P,2 - 3,4 and P,3 - 2,4 etc, through all combinations. Being able to play this kind of stuff might boost your ballad playing, comping singers (alone in a duo), or just solo guitar. I might sound rediculous, but this really opened up a new world for me. Anyone here thats really into this or similar? Im not trying to be to obsessed with strucutres (I often find myself being to systematic at times), only just working with it.</p> <p>Best, </p> <p>Sandemose </p>