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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: listening - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: listening - Recent Posts en Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:29:08 +0000 jazznan on "Learning Standards" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/learning-standards#post-13925
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Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:47:19 +0000
jazznan 13925@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The most helpful ideas I've picked up from numerous people and my own experience:</p> <p>1. Knowing the melody inside out and the lyrics in learning the melody are very helpful.<br /> 2. The concept of singing the bass notes or singing arpeggios through progressions, basically singing stuff is also very helpful as well.</p> <p>But don't give up! Sometimes it takes a while to break down a wall (I'm sure there's a proverb about this somewhere...the only one I know is "diligence is man's prized possession".) </p>
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Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:21:39 +0000
shayo 13918@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Jazzman,</p> <p>Thank you for the reply. Is just that I've been doing this for a while and it seems like i'm not getting better in this, it can be really frustrating. But Your'e right the concept is to keep going and be consistent with it. I was just wondering if anyone as other ways that he/she are using to learn standards and tunes. </p>
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Tue, 20 Jan 2015 21:39:10 +0000
jarediledundee 13917@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Great advice Jazznan! </p>
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Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:24:21 +0000
jazznan 13916@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You're doing it right. It's hard and challenging and that's part of what makes it so satisfying to achieve even small goals along the way. So, set small goals for yourself. You're not going to be playing standards like Kurt anytime soon. He's put years of actual work into it, but you can still make some good music along the way.<br /> I would say keep doing what you're doing and learn tunes, learn tunes, learn tunes. It takes time and work, period. If you've even learned 1 thing, that's progress. Keep it up!</p> <p>You can take lessons, read books, etc..and they help (but can also become crutches). In the end, doing it the way you're doing it is going to help you the most. </p>
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Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:13:31 +0000
shayo 13915@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey Guys,</p> <p>So I am playing guitar for a while already. I have a very some understanding of theory. I am vey passionate about that and try to practice as much as I can. However, I feel that I have a real problem with learning and playing standards and I am curious of how other players do it. My ear is not very good, so usually when I play Standards with others I really have to count the chords or look at the chord charts in order to know where I am - without it I'm kinda lost as I don't know when to get in and out and where I am on the chorus. Also, I am trying to learn songs by ear, but I find it impossible to understand the changes from the recording, what end up happens is that I know the melody and I can hear some bass notes but that doesn't really help me to understand the whole chords. In case that there is a piano or a guitar in the recording - I put each chord on a-b loop and listening carefully for that specific chord note after note until I find it, but I still don't know the standard. I am not sure, maybe i'm doing something wrong, maybe I am listening to the wrong recordings (I usually try to transcribe chords from Chet Baker recording just because he plays simple). Please advise.</p> <p>Thanks a lot. </p>
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Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:52:50 +0000
Floatingbridge 6459@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Helped me. </p>
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Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:41:35 +0000
guitar1025 6458@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey Paul!</p> <p>I have sort of a system I used for learning tunes. Maybe it might be of some help to you.</p> <p>Like you, I try to find a few different recordings to work from. But I have a system for picking the recordings.</p> <p>1) A definitive recording of the tune; often that will differ depending on who you ask.<br /> 2) Find a solo piano/piano trio recording (if you can. Keith Jarrett has no shortage of these :D).<br /> 3) Find a vocal version (if you can).<br /> 4) Find a guitarist playing it (assuming that you play guitar).<br /> 5) If one of the above is not, find recordings of your favorite player(s) playing the tune.</p> <p>#1 Gives you the bare bones; what the tune sounds like.<br /> #2 Gives harmonic ideas, possible reharms. I envy how piano players can do that stuff without even thinking about it.<br /> #3 Can give you the real "feel/emotion" of the tune. I find it also makes the melody easier to remember when you incorporate lyrics.<br /> #4 Obviously, what it sounds like on your instrument.<br /> #5 It will put the tune in a familiar context; a sound/tone you already know. How many tunes have you never even heard of or had no interest in learning until you hear someone like Kurt play it?</p> <p>With programs like Spotify, it makes this process so much easier than say 10 years ago. I find this is a really helpful way really internalizing a new tune. You get to the point where you're walking around singing/whistling the melody and before you know it, you'll hammer it out on your instrument.</p> <p>Hope that could be of some help! </p>
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Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:01:31 +0000
cruxtable 6448@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for the tips - however I'm thinking maybe my question was misunderstood. I'm basically just talking about the listening part of learning tunes - I can learn tunes at a pace I'm happy with, but I'm trying to listen to different albums for each tune now so that I can finally listen to all of these albums I should have a long time ago, and learn things about the song I might not get just from looking at lead sheets. The problem is that it takes so long to do all the listening that I feel like it's holding me back from learning tunes at a good pace.</p> <p>The issue with the 100 tunes - what I meant is that I have learned over 100 tunes that are on my tune list, but I haven't listened to original recordings, or listened in full to multiple albums for each of them. That's something I want to do so that I can go back to all those tunes and learn how they were done on different recordings, but I just can't find time to go through all those tunes and do that, plus do all the new ones I want to work on at the same time. </p>
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Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:50:07 +0000
arewolfe 6447@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You sound really motivated. One thing to keep in mind is that if you apply your ideas of learning standards it will be time consuming and strenuous in the beginning (where you're at now), but all the work you put in during this period will give you the ability to internalize standards more quickly later on in your project of 100+ tunes. </p> <p>Tunes 1 through 15 might take a lot of work, but 50-100 will probably be a smoother process... you'll starting memorizing the harmony more quickly, blah blah blah. That sort of thing. </p>
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Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:31:44 +0000
gleepglop 6446@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>My experience has been that ear training helps with this more than anything else. It improves your perception of the melody and harmony and musical memory, so you learn tunes faster and retain them better. I find that an hour of ear training is worth approximately four hours of practicing anything else. And it makes your time practicing other things far more efficient and effective, not to mention more fun and meaningful.</p> <p>But it takes time, and it sounds like you are putting a lot of pressure on yourself to learn a ton of tunes right now. Learn a handful of standards really well, relax and work on things that you enjoy and are meaningful to you. Stressing yourself out about where you are in the process is counterproductive.</p> <p>You don't have to be an encyclopedia of the history of every jazz tune, nobody can do that overnight. </p>
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Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:03:10 +0000
cruxtable 6445@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>So I have developed a pretty extensive list of things to do for every new tune I learn, one of which is posing a bit of a problem - the listening to music part of it. What I've been trying to do is, for every new tune, listen to the original album it's from, and then listen to a couple other albums that have important recordings of that song. This is to solve my listening problem because there's so much music that I haven't listened to yet that I should have by now, a lot of important artists and albums. And I'm trying to listen to each album a couple times at least. The problem is I can't listen as fast-paced as I want to learn tunes, which isn't too big of a deal, but what is a big deal is that my tune list before I started doing this has 100+ tunes which I haven't done my necessary listening for..I've been trying to keep my practicing tunes and listening consolidated but it seems like the listening part is holding me back from moving on with tunes, and I just don't think I can find the time in the day to go through my tune list and do the listening, learn what I need to from the recordings (intros, important lines, things I'm doing wrong etc)...which I need to do, because there's a lot of songs I know but I don't really know the original arrangements...ideas? </p>