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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: Melody - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: Melody - Recent Posts en Fri, 29 Jul 2016 05:53:40 +0000 david6strings on "practising completely improvising" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/practising-completely-improvising#post-4765
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Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:28:20 +0000
david6strings 4765@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kotK9FNEYU&amp;feature=player_embedded#at=79" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kotK9FNEYU&amp;feature=player_embedded#at=79</a></p> <p>check this video, it&#39;s not about the post but you&#39;re gonna love it xD </p>
jbear on "practising completely improvising" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/practising-completely-improvising#post-4745
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Thu, 02 Jun 2011 21:44:51 +0000
jbear 4745@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Honestly...I am way better at that than I am at structured stuff. I wish I was stronger in the other direction. I think we&#39;re all just wired a bit differently. </p>
jazznan on "practising completely improvising" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/practising-completely-improvising#post-4744
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Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:27:45 +0000
jazznan 4744@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I do this regularly as part of my daily desire to make music (and I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s always good, but it feels good and I think it&#39;s vital to my desire to make and communicate).<br /> It could end up being simple or more complex, two chords or more etc...You might use existing forms of music like the blues or just move to random chords or intervals etc..no rules here.<br /> Listen to and read the liner notes for Keith Jarrett&#39;s &quot;Inside Out&quot; album, this has really great examples of how you can totally improvise but still end up using common forms or language, like the blues or bebop (also is solo piano stuff, obviously!)</p> <p>I think some of the important aspects of doing this are to be a good listener, conviction and trust that you can.</p> <p>I see this all the time with classical musicians who can&#39;t improvise. They have all the technique etc...but what&#39;s holding them back? </p> <p>They don&#39;t trust their instincts, are afraid of what might or might not happen, have too many preconceptions and are often afraid of what others might think etc... </p>
Matt on "practising completely improvising" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/practising-completely-improvising#post-4743
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Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:36:08 +0000
Matt 4743@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i&#39;m curious how one can develop their ability to completely improvise - not single note, or within the format of a structured tune, but i mean improvising form, melody, harmony, and what not... i can&#39;t think of any specific artists off the top of my head, but i know many musicians are able to improvise complete songs with solos and everything, so any pointers on where to start with this? </p>
Anonymous on "Composing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/composing#post-2070
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Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:01:47 +0000
Anonymous 2070@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>A composer (Latin com+ponere, literally &quot;one who puts together&quot;) is a person who creates music, either by musical notation or oral tradition, for interpretation and performance, or through direct manipulation of sonic material through electronic media. This is real explanation of composer or composing. </p>
silverwater on "Composing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/composing#post-2011
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Fri, 09 Jul 2010 00:12:56 +0000
silverwater 2011@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>For me it always starts with an idea; maybe it&#39;s a progression, maybe a melodic idea, maybe a rhythmic/meter/feel thing. The main thing is having that initial idea, that idea being something you really want to hear in your composition. Once you have an idea, you jut have to build on it. That&#39;s where experience can help. I&#39;m still fairly new to composition, but the more I do it, the better and more mature the compositions get. I think anyways :) </p>
Quintricacy on "Composing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/composing#post-2003
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Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:57:23 +0000
Quintricacy 2003@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>After doing composition in college, I find it very hard to write something within a 16-32 bar standard format. I find that writing away from the guitar works best for me because it challenges me to play things that i wouldn&#39;t normally play. I write mostly for quintet so i usually have my melodies featuring unision, harmony and counterpoint. I usually like to write backgrounds and interludes between solo sections just to keep things interesting for the listener and myself. I haven&#39;t done any composing in a while but i will definitely be getting back soon as there are lots of ideas running through my head lately. </p>
Floatingbridge on "Composing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/composing#post-2002
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Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:31:34 +0000
Floatingbridge 2002@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Sometimes I transcribe what I hear in my head. Most times it&#39;s like going fishing. Sometimes things cone out very quickly and completely , more often it&#39;s somewhat of a struggle: is it it&#39;s own thing or can it connect to other things that I&#39;ve made that are incomplete? Is this the middle of something? How am I gonna connect things? It often gets bigger and mire involved and if I have the patience and don&#39;t expect it to be done really soon I find the result satisfying. I have tried imposing deadlines ( doesn&#39;t mean things can&#39;t be expanded upon ) just to get sone sense of completion and closure. Some things have started ad excercises to help get comfortable with a certain issue; this process has less pressure - it&#39;s an excercise not my deepest personal statement ( ... Again it can be a springboard for more personal statement). Simple melodies can come grim being the highest voice of what started as an exploration on harmonic territory . I like the excercises vibe because it is generally geared towards a new place or sound I want to get to for me personally . Sometimes it&#39;s hard once something is made because I&#39;ve spent time working this thing out and it&#39;s a little through composed ballet and I forget what it&#39;s terrain is harmonically ( much like me dealing with bebop ) it&#39;s hard for me to match the depth or movement of a head when it&#39;s time fir me to solo and this is very frustrating and brings me to where I left off, where I am with fundamentals, </p>
Sandemose on "Composing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/composing#post-2001
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Wed, 07 Jul 2010 10:36:26 +0000
Sandemose 2001@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I´ve always seen composing as an discovery of something that already was there, before I wrote it, for some reason. When I stumble across something that I like, I dont know what/which part of the song Ive found. I just find a way in, and then I try to get out, haha. Its like finding solutions for harmonic/melodic problems/questions? Sometimes I get an idea, more like a concept and experiment with it. I wrote a blues, like one year ago, when I worked with triad pairs. The chords ended up:</p> <p> B/C E/C F#/C</p> <p>-----2------- -------0--------- -------2--------<br /> -----4------- -------0--------- --------2--------<br /> -----4------- -------1--------- --------3--------<br /> -----2------ -------2--------- -------2---------<br /> -----3------- -------3--------- -------3---------<br /> -----3------- --------3-------- -------3---------</p> <p>That was just an idea, something that came to my mind during a boring lesson at school. Then you go home and investigate the potential in that discovery. I still must say, I often start with one or two chords that sort of give an hint of a melody, and go from there. </p> <p>Very nice topic by the way!</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
Anonymous on "Composing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/composing#post-1999
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Wed, 07 Jul 2010 03:41:42 +0000
Anonymous 1999@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>the way I like to write, and the way I feel most connected to the song, is building melody and chord changes together as I go. Maybe I will have an idea for the first two to four chords then create a melody then the melody will want to do something and a chord will come out of that etc. and then mabye after i will tweak it and see how I feel with the piece. thats basically my process. build off of what comes next and then ask, How do I get back? or do I need to go back? Pretty much Rhythm/Melody/Chords start the piece, and in a way they finish the piece because the rest has to come naturally. I guess I try to make the rest of the song compliment the first phrase or thing being said in the song. </p>
Anonymous on "Composing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/composing#post-1997
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Wed, 07 Jul 2010 03:24:37 +0000
Anonymous 1997@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I write alot. Writing for me is mostly about singing. First I just worry about melody and root motion; I start with a little bit of melody or mabye even just a root and sing something over it until I like it, then I just keep going until I have a song. After I have the melody and root motion the chord qualities are usually pretty obvious. I really like this approach because I feel like I&#39;m really connected with everything I write: I can only write things I hear. I also find that the best stuff I write comes out really fast, I will like write a song in like a minute or two and it will all just fit really nicely and naturally. Anyway, that&#39;s how I do it. </p>
cruxtable on "Composing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/composing#post-1995
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Tue, 06 Jul 2010 23:47:21 +0000
cruxtable 1995@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i&#39;m always writing. right now, i&#39;m working on writing a concept album that i&#39;m going to play as my senior recital.</p> <p>i usually don&#39;t like to start by specifically writing chords or grooves/times - unless i was writing a tune that was more of an exercise to shed certain types of chord changes, meters, grooves etc. </p> <p>when i&#39;m just trying to make music, the only way for me is to sit at a piano (guitar too, but it&#39;s easier for me to compose on piano) and improvise, not separating chords from melody, but improvising them both together. usually i&#39;ll stumble upon something i like, whether it&#39;s a melody or a chord change, and i&#39;ll build from that and expand the melody, and figure out how to harmonize it as i go. for me, the melody is the most important part, i try to write melodies that are more accessible. and then i experiment with different interesting ways to harmonize the same melody so that it&#39;s musically satisfying as a student of more modern jazz harmony.</p> <p>the struggle for me in this method, is that i&#39;ve been finding that the things i come up with tend to have the same sound and style, similar types of chord changes, and i&#39;m even having this problem where every single thing that comes out is in the same meter (3/4 or 6/8). another problem is that the stuff i write on piano doesn&#39;t usually lend itself well to guitar, and i found myself wishing i was a pianist instead. i think i just need to study more, listen more, maybe pick up the guitar to write more. but there&#39;s my approach. </p>
Colonel Trane on "Composing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/composing#post-1994
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Tue, 06 Jul 2010 23:15:46 +0000
Colonel Trane 1994@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;ve been writing a lot of tunes lately and I was just wondering if anyone else here writes? If so what is your process, I start with chords a lot but recently I&#39;ve been experimenting with odd rhythms and times so I&#39;ll start more with a groove. How do you write? </p>
Anonymous on "Applying George Van Eps to specific tunes..." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/applying-george-van-eps-to-specific-tunes#post-183
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Anonymous 183@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>That&#39;s a good question, I&#39;d be curious to know more about it myself...gotta get that book. I think a lot of it is up to you in terms of how to use the information. Nobody can tell you how to be creative, you know? I think you just need to try stuff out and see what feels good to you, what kinds of things you want to keep and what you don&#39;t. I don&#39;t think everyone uses all the info in all of those books all the time. Also, even Van Eps and Kurt repeat themselves, even if it doesn&#39;t sound like it. So basically, I think books like that and &quot;Chord Chemistry&quot; leave the process of experimenting and trying things out to see what works up to the student, because that is how the student will develop a personal vocabulary with the information in these books.</p> <p>Just my perspective on it, hopefully it helps! </p>
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Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:04:58 +0000
jazzbum 168@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;ve been working with the first Van Eps book for a while now and wonder if anyone has devised a methodical way to apply his knowledge to specific tunes creatively. Chord melody has always been a challenge for me, at least making it sound not too forced or cliche. This is something I think Van Eps and Kurt really have mastered, having an open harmonic palette to draw from at all times. Choosing chords rather than playing specific arrangements is the goal. Any thoughts on this? </p> <p>Side note: If you have not seen this video of Kurt playing Soul Eyes, his intro makes me weep. Check it:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFKk7wxJxZk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFKk7wxJxZk</a> </p>