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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: modern - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: modern - Recent Posts en Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:00:47 +0000 jarediledundee on "Modern Jazz Voicing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/modern-jazz-voicing#post-14122
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jarediledundee 14122@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Ah I see, very astute observation, thanks for sharing! </p>
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ludovikbt 14121@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for the reply.</p> <p>Actually, what I meant was that these two chords contains every intervals between every notes (not only from the bass)<br /> If we take the first one ( C-D-G-B) for exemple:<br /> C - D 2nd, G - B 3rd, D - G 4th, C - G 5th, D - B 6th, C - B 7th, all majors ans perfect intervals except the 1 and the 8ve. </p>
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jarediledundee 14120@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your explanation, but I think those two chords do not contain the 4th, F (which some say is an avoid note).</p> <p>If you're looking for a way to play modal with just two chords, you might explore slash chords (also known as triads over bass notes). For example, if in the key of C you want to play every note within the scale within two chords, play a major triad from the IV then the V, while placing a C in the bass...F/C and then G/C</p> <p>You may also use minor ii and iii triads over C as well...D/C and E/C</p> <p>These give you a modal sound depending which note is in the bass...some notes will be redundant, and some will be common seventh chords you already know</p> <p>C Ionian:<br /> F/C then G/C or D/C then E/C</p> <p>D Dorian:<br /> F/D then G/D or D/D (D-minor triad) then E/D</p> <p>E Phrygian:<br /> F/E then G/E or D/E then E/E</p> <p>F Lydian:<br /> F/F then G/F or D/F then E/F</p> <p>G Mixolydian:<br /> F/G then G/G or D/G then E/G</p> <p>A Aeolian:<br /> F/A then G/A or D/A then E/A</p> <p>B Locrian:<br /> F/B then G/B or D/B then E/B </p>
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Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:18:40 +0000
ludovikbt 14118@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>I was recently playing with two voicings often heard in modern jazz : Maj7sus2 (In C : C - D - G - B) and Maj6/7 (In C : C - E - A -B). After analyzing the two of them, I realized that both chord contained every major and perfect intervals except the unison and the octave : 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7.</p> <p>I think it's quite interesting since these chords sound great. Maybe that by knowing more about their structures, I might come up with new ones.</p> <p>Anyway, my question is, do you guys know other chords or voicings that could contain every major or every minor intervals ? Or simply a mix of the two ? I'd like your help to expand this concept.</p> <p>Thanks. </p>
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sam 13425@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Robert Glasper Trio<br /> Clear Audience - In Are All An Up For It </p>
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Gia5 13421@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Last two works of Ambrose Akinmusire. They're amazing.<br /> Anything from Mark Turner.<br /> Reid Anderson -The Vastness Of Space </p>
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InWalked 13416@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Jim Campilongo: Dream Dictionary<br /> Scott Amendola &amp; Charlie Hunter: Pucker<br /> Dave Holland: Prism<br /> Nels Cline Singers: Macroscope </p>
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jbroad 13415@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>lots of good ones:</p> <p>kurt- the enemies of energy</p> <p>chris cheek- vine</p> <p>bill stewart- telepathy</p> <p>tim hagans- animation/imagination</p> <p>tigran hamasyan- shadow theater</p> <p>brian blade fellowship- perceptual</p> <p>chris potter- vertigo</p> <p>david torn- prezens</p> <p>jeff tain watts- watts</p> <p>michael brecker (rip) - pilgrimage</p> <p>tim berne- the sublime and sciencefriction live </p>
Nathan078 on "Favorite modern album" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/favorite-modern-album#post-13414
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Nathan078 13414@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The new david binney album is pretty sick... 10 piece combo for the win! </p>
Matt on "Favorite modern album" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/favorite-modern-album#post-13413
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Matt 13413@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i want to add: not necessarily recent, but Kenny Garrett's Songbook is great. </p> <p>tigran hamsayan 'shadow theatre' is quite neat. not necessarily a fav, but worth considering.</p> <p>"what we do" is a great record. a contender for my favorite Sco record. </p>
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jarediledundee 13412@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Great question Schwa!</p> <p>• Dharma Days, Dharma Days, Dharma Days</p> <p>• Kurt's 'Heartcore' can bring me to tears</p> <p>• Lage Lund's 'Small Club, Big City" makes my head spin</p> <p>• Any Tim Miller recording (those chords! Those lines!)</p> <p>• The first 3 Bad Plus records (heavy!)</p> <p>• John Scofield 'What we do'</p> <p>• Pat Metheny "Trio 99-00"</p> <p>• Kneebody (Any album)</p> <p>and I second Matt's nod to krantz leibfeve carlock</p> <p>• </p>
wommusic on "Favorite modern album" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/favorite-modern-album#post-13411
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wommusic 13411@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Recently I've loved RJ Miller's "Ronald's Rhythm", Billy Hart's "One is the Other" and Brian Blade's "Season of Changes" is awesome too! Funny how it's albums, very different albums, by 3 drummers! </p>
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Matt 13409@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>anything from Scofield in the past 2 decades. </p> <p>krantz leibfeve carlock is great. </p>
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Gesture 13407@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Metheny Mehldau. Never really transcribed anything from this album but it has everything that I love about music and after owning it for about 7 years I keep getting back to it. Great compositions, great improvisations (imo some of pat's best playing), great interaction, duo playing and of course very virtuosic.</p> <p>Star of Jupiter. This album has really grown on me over the last year.</p> <p>I also love Invisible Cinema. </p>
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schwa 13405@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>This should be interesting...<br /> What recent jazz album has been the most influential on you? Either on your playing, your listening, emotionally, whatever..<br /> I know "modern" and "recent" are pretty relative. Define however you like.<br /> Mine would be Invisible Cinema. I heard it and thought, "Aha! This is what I've been looking for." </p>
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egav 9780@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The lippincott series are more than just lessons. They would answer exactly what you want to know.<br /> As far as the style goes, its more complex. Back in the 60s they didnt have all the material we have today. Jazz wasnt widely recognized as an academic subject by most places and it was limited where you could study it, i believe, and even then it wasnt that thorough. There was a good set of theory behind it but not as thoroughly analyzed as we have it today. This makes the vocabulary completely different.<br /> Vocabulary was meant to be clear cut, to make the changes. If you're familiar with literature, think of it as Charles Dickens, having a clear sense of the language and making everything clear. Think of what these guys are doing as something more like James Joyce. The language is very vague, but the construction and assembly of it is a masterpiece.<br /> In more specific terminology, a lot of what these guys are doing is heavy harmonically. They use a lot of modal techniques in things that normally wouldn't. A good example of this is shown in Vic Juris' book modern voicings, where he gives tons of examples of intervallic chords constructed with modes. Ben Monder uses that technique a lot. Guys like Kurt and Gilad Hekselman use a sort of "linear" approach to playing, as i've heard people say. I wish I could explain a little better, but you can tell from how they play, its not something like bird or coltrane. Its sort of more vague, again, using a more modal approach. They seem to look for the least amount of notes to change when changing chords, but at the same time, rely on a lot of alterations to do this.</p> <p>Get the lippincott videos, anyhow, it'll really give you what youre looking for. </p>
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docbop 9765@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Might be of interest to some Mike's Master Classes's Tom Lippincott has a series of classes on Modern Jazz Guitarists. There are video previews to get an idea what each class is about. </p> <p><a href="http://www.mikesmasterclasses.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=160&amp;Itemid=32" rel="nofollow">http://www.mikesmasterclasses.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=160&amp;Itemid=32</a></p> <p>I haven't checked out Tom's series of classes, but have quite a few of the Sheryl Bailey and Steve Herberman classes which are great. </p>
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silverwater 9758@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I'm going to say growing up in a time after the influence of guys like Chuck Berry, Hendrix, Page, Beck, David Gilmour, and Eddie Van Halen reinvented how the instrument could and would sound has had as much of an impact as anything. </p> <p>Combined that with the influence guys like Bill Evans, Joe Henderson, Herbie, Wayne, Woody have had on everybody. </p> <p>Also, I'd add: Accents and lines starting and ending on less "typical sounding" places, a less swung 1/8th note, and odd groupings of notes (like playing 5 over 4, etc.).</p> <p>As an accompanying instrument it has advanced a lot as well (though will still forever be behind the piano ) </p>
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bingefeller 9724@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Great thread guys, lots of good observations. </p> <p>Can someone please explain what interval sets are? </p>
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jazzacast55 9717@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I would have to say sound has a lot to do with it, for me 12 gauge strings with a wound 3rd in to some reverb and delay then maybe a solid state amp (not all the time though) creates a modern sound.<br /> There is a modern vocab that everyone seems to be pulling from stuff like lines with 5ths, chords with minor 2nds in there some where, pretty vauge answer but something around those lines. </p>
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Poparad 9716@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Warning: hypothesis and opinion to follow:</p> <p>The phrasing of their melodic lines is much different, and this is true not just of modern guitar players but simply modern jazz players in general. Older players came out of the bebop tradition that involves a lot of long, snaking 8th note lines with chromaticism and enclosures, and while that's still evident in modern player's vocabulary to some degree, there's a far greater emphasis on thematic development. A player will take a small melodic figure, perhaps an interval or a rhythm, and develop it with variations over the course of a few bars or more. This seems to be a driving force in many (though not all) modern approaches. In other words, from measure to measure, phrase to phrase, each improvised part has more continuity, just like a composed melody for a song does. </p>
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smoke 9710@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Didn't imply all players but it certainly is common.</p> <p>Another one is a more straight time feel. </p>
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jorgemg1984 9709@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>"More legato, horn-like phrasing" I just disagree with this one... Lund, Monder or Kreisberg use much more staccato. All the rest is well pointed out| </p>
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smoke 9708@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Several things come to mind but I am sure the list is far from complete.</p> <p>More complicated harmonic structures and harmonies, less reliance on ii-V's and cycle progressions<br /> Odd time signatures<br /> More legato, horn-like phrasing<br /> More complicated rhythmic phrasing, odd note groupings, etc<br /> More chromaticism<br /> More superimposed triads, interval sets, pentatonics, etc<br /> More overdriven tone with lots of reverb and delay<br /> Wider field of influences from all types of music<br /> More tolerance for dissonance and tension </p>
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docbop 9707@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Modern recording techniques, players combining influences differently. As they say you want to learn about player, listen to who they listened to. </p>
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jorgemg1984 9706@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Triads and pentatonics with delay and reverb :) </p>
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bingefeller 9705@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I'm not looking for lessons as I'm already a member on the Tim Miller site. I'm asking for the opinions of people here as to what _they_ think makes modern jazz players, such as those I've mentioned, sound so fresh. </p>
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Benny 9704@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Buy and work your way through Tim Lippincott's 5 part lesson series 'Modern Jazz Guitar': <a href="http://www.mikesmasterclasses.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=160&amp;Itemid=32" rel="nofollow">http://www.mikesmasterclasses.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=160&amp;Itemid=32</a> </p>
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bingefeller 9703@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi folks, </p> <p>I'm wondering, and maybe some of the more knowledgable players can tell me, what is typical of modern jazz players? What makes Kurt Rosenwinkel, Tim Miller, Jonathan Kreisberg and Ben Monder sound so modern? I can't put my finger on it... </p>