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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: notation rhythm - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: notation rhythm - Recent Posts en Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:00:55 +0000 david6strings on "Rhythm notation problems" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/rhythm-notation-problems#post-3428
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Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:26:28 +0000
david6strings 3428@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>thanks for the answer guys. it seems to me useful in terms of hearing or writting arrangements of tunes. </p>
silverwater on "Rhythm notation problems" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/rhythm-notation-problems#post-3425
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Sun, 05 Dec 2010 19:56:06 +0000
silverwater 3425@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>One more thing to add: </p> <p>Never forget that Jazz is a Blues/Soul/R&amp;B-based music that often borrows elements, especially harmonic and melodic, from the European/Western Classical tradition. It&#39;s not the other way around. Anybody who approaches Confirmation like a classical musician approaches Brahms is doomed to sound lame, and wrong. Although sometimes Jazz musicians get really mathematical and intellectual with their playing/composing, in the end it&#39;s all about creating the energies and expressions of the blues.</p> <p>Also you may have been told this, but a swing feel is something personal and can&#39;t exactly be written out, and many players play the second note of a pair of &quot;swung&quot; 1/8 notes in different places...some closer to where the even 1/8 is, some maybe closer to the 16th. </p>
silverwater on "Rhythm notation problems" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/rhythm-notation-problems#post-3424
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Sun, 05 Dec 2010 19:35:46 +0000
silverwater 3424@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Poparad has pretty much has it.</p> <p>I don&#39;t think of both measures as sounding the same, but I understand how you&#39;re getting there and why there&#39;s confusion.</p> <p>Here&#39;s what you should do to play the first measure of your example with a swing feel: Write it out as two measures of 4/4, and double the value of each note.</p> <p>Here would be the values of the notes, and the counting underneath:</p> <p>(1/4 1/8 1/8 1/8 1/8 1/4 ) (1/8 1/4 1/8 1/4 [trip-el-let])</p> <p>( &quot;1&quot; &quot;2 &amp;&quot; &quot; 3 &amp;&quot; &quot;4&quot; )( &quot;1 &amp;&quot; &quot;(2) &amp;&quot; &quot;3&quot; &quot;4-pel-let&quot;)</p> <p>Play those two bars with a swing feel, but at twice the BPM as the original single measure. That is how the measure should sound.</p> <p>I&#39;m getting here because when I hear people swinging 16th notes, they swing every other note, just like 1/8th notes. Four consecutive 16th notes with a swing feel at 60 BPM should sound identical to four consecutive 1/8 notes with a swing feel at 120 BPM. I&#39;m also getting here because I often play up tempo 4/4 tunes in 2/2, tapping my foot twice for each measure instead of 4 times and subdividing the 1/8 notes as 1/16 notes in my head. The tune wouldn&#39;t sound right if I tried to perform the way you are interpreting things.</p> <p>Short &amp; Simple Answer: The first 16th note in your example comes where an EVEN 1/8 note would be, not where a swung 1/8 would be. If someone wants a phrase like that to sound like your 12/8 example, but written in 4/4, they&#39;ll write triplet brackets around the beats. </p>
Poparad on "Rhythm notation problems" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/rhythm-notation-problems#post-3408
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Sat, 04 Dec 2010 19:02:22 +0000
Poparad 3408@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Usually when there are a lot of sixteenth note rhythms in a swing feel, the part has shifted to a double-time feel, where the 8ths are now straight, and the sixteenths may or may not be swung (depending on the tempo).</p> <p>The rhythm on the first beat, though, is common in swing when the rhythms are otherwise 8th notes or longer, and the 12/8 interpretation that you have is the way to go about feeling that. The others are not rhythms you&#39;ll really ever see and have to swing like that. Beat 4 maybe, but it would just be like what you did for beat one, except that instead of two sixteenths, it&#39;s a sixteenth note triplet. The 8th would still become a quarter note in 12/8. </p>
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Sat, 04 Dec 2010 18:27:36 +0000
david6strings 3407@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I need some help about understanding how to read for rithmic situations in a triplet feel situation. the first measure is four beats, i have written one thing in every beat, compare the beat 1 of the 12/8 measure with the beat 1 of the 4/4 swing feel. sound the same? So the same procedure with both 2 beats etcetera...</p> <p>The other option i found is to read it like it was straight 16&#39;s like a specific beat is no swing notation system affected by. i don&#39;t know. all of these, not a full measure like in the pic but one beat with some of the rythm in the pic and the rest of the measure filled with the triplet feel eights.<br /> i hope the post is understandable, it&#39;s so hard to me to explain it in english. cheers!!!</p> <p><a href="http://cid-2eead9b260c7abc5.photos.live.com/self.aspx/ritmo/swing.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://cid-2eead9b260c7abc5.photos.live.com/self.aspx/ritmo/swing.JPG</a> </p>