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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: octave dependant - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: octave dependant - Recent Posts en Fri, 01 Jul 2016 09:48:43 +0000 acrueldragonegg on "Octave dependant scales" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/octave-dependant-scales#post-11188
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acrueldragonegg 11188@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Do you guys think he's using these concepts here (at 4:55)? <a href="http://youtu.be/5Eg-0Ot5-ko?t=4m55s" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/5Eg-0Ot5-ko?t=4m55s</a></p> <p>Sounds like it to me. Sounds amazing. A whole new ethereal level of harmony =D</p> <p>@brandoncoleman35 "A Chromatic Approach to Jazz Harmony and Melody" is an AMAZING book. My teacher (who is absolutely phenomenal) let me borrow it. Definitely recommended. </p>
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Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:43:52 +0000
brandoncoleman35 2536@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>There&#39;s a lot of information on polychord/polychordal scales in Dave Liebman&#39;s book &quot;A Chromatic Approach to Jazz Harmony and Melody&quot;. Really interesting read; I checked it out a few years ago from my school library and some of the concepts in it I&#39;ve found very useful. I was always curious about the interesting relationship of these &quot;poly-scales&quot; to spectralist harmony...once you reach the upper registers of harmonic strata you begin to diverge from the normal harmonic series and begin to get some interesting tonalities. I guess one could say it&#39;s like Giacinto Scelsi meets jazz. :p Anyways, I&#39;m probably gonna go analyze some Kurt and Mark Turner and see if I can decipher what&#39;s going on.</p> <p>-Brandon<br /> <a href="http://www.brandoncolemanmusic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.brandoncolemanmusic.com</a> </p>
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Wed, 01 Sep 2010 10:30:13 +0000
Colonel Trane 2531@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Mark Turner uses a lot of polychords. I messed around with the octave dependent scales a bit when I was writing a tune with quite a few of them, they are tricky though. </p>
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Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:07:09 +0000
JorgeRubiales 2525@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think poparad&#39;s approach would be more consonant with Kurt&#39;s findings. I have yet to play them to hear them myself ;) </p>
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Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:18:45 +0000
Poparad 2522@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I was messing around with this a while ago for a tune I wrote. Part of the head uses polychords, and I was trying to figure out how to approach them to add them to the blowing section, but I never quite got the hang of it, so I just left them out of that part.</p> <p>The two voicings were as such:</p> <p>Eadd4 / Cmaj:</p> <p>(low to high)<br /> 332204</p> <p>Abadd4 / Bmaj:</p> <p>226648 (the 22 part is tapped with the right hand)</p> <p>For improvising, I was taking two major scales and splicing them together at the middle point of the chords. So for the first one, I&#39;d play C major in the lower end of the instrument, and around actual middle C (not written middle C), I&#39;d switch to E major. The two scales overlap below that with an A and a B, so it makes the transition fairly smooth.</p> <p>For the second one, it would be B major on the bottom, and around the same point again at C#/Db above middle C, I&#39;d switch to Ab major.</p> <p>It&#39;s something I&#39;d like to experiment more with in the future, but thinking about it in terms of polychords makes it much easier to comprehend. </p>
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Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:49:25 +0000
Pascau 2521@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Two sounds I&#39;ve been working that I guess are kind of related to this:</p> <p>On an E melodic minor sound - E G B D# F# G Bb C# F#. So EminMaj7 with b5, 6, and 9 on top.<br /> On an A Lydian sound - A A(octave) G# C# D# F# G# C natural. So from A, up an octave, down minor second, up a fourth, and then the rest are upwards movements. 1 8 7 ( then upper octave) 3 #4 6 7 #9</p> <p>I haven&#39;t really thought of them as being octave dependent, but I&#39;ve been using them like that if I understand the idea correctly. Cool sounds I thought I&#39;d share either way. </p>
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Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:17:38 +0000
eSkills 2518@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Talking about Warne Marsh, check out his line over Confirmation from the unissued Copenhagen concert with NHØP and Alan Levitt. Starts at the second chorus, 01.17. It&#39;s out on spotify... Crazy stuff! </p>
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Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:24:57 +0000
JorgeRubiales 2516@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Maybe it&#39;s the lack of sleep, but trying this concept at the piano now I hear an interesting relationship between a major lower scale (dominant arpeggio) and a minor upper scale e.g: G major key (D7) / G minor key.</p> <p>Anyone hears something over there, or I should try to sleep some more hours? </p>
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Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:20:55 +0000
LJM 2509@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Smith: Thanks for sharing that concept Steve Cardenas showed you, I wouldn´t have tought it that way!<br /> Sandemose: Thanks for the warm welcome!<br /> JorgeRubiales: Great finding! </p>
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Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:25:53 +0000
Joel 2506@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for the heads up about Warne Marsh guys. Haven&#39;t checked him out before and is fuelling my slight Mark Turner obsession... </p>
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Mon, 30 Aug 2010 04:44:18 +0000
JorgeRubiales 2504@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thank you very much for the info LJM!</p> <p>Talking about that, I found on Jimmy Emerzian&#39;s site <a href="http://www.emerzianmusic.com/bio.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.emerzianmusic.com/bio.html</a> a master&#39;s thesis about Wane Marsh&#39;s influence on Mark Turner. Hope you dig it! ;) </p>
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Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:54:40 +0000
Sandemose 2503@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>LJM: great post, thanks alot for sharing! Welcome to the forum as well, great to have you onboard!</p> <p>Best regards, Sandemose </p>
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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:58:01 +0000
Anonymous 2502@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>LJM, that tonic major scale is great(well all five!!). it reminds me of a lesson i had with steve cardenas where he said that sometimes he would just improvise through the circle of fiths over a tune to get outside lines that sounded in. </p>
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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:20:29 +0000
LJM 2501@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks Smith! I also feel that a great deal of Mark Turner´s rhythmic and harmonic vocabulary comes from that school (especially from Warne). </p>
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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:58:19 +0000
Anonymous 2500@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>LMJ, i think you nailed it. that is some great info in there, thanks! i definitely hear mark turner doing that </p>
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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:40:25 +0000
LJM 2499@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi, this is my first post, though I´ve been an avid reader of the forum for months. I read the interview where Kurt talks about that subject and, in my opinion, this is directly related to the bitonal concepts used by the Lennie Tristano school of improvisation. I strongly recommend listening to compositions and improvisations by guys like Lenny himself, Lee Konitz, Warne Marsh and Ted Brown, to name a few. If you are into the theoretical foundations behind the concept you should check out a book by John Klopotowski, who studied with Warne. He covers both Warne´s life as well as the materials the master used when teaching. If you need more information just let me know.<br /> <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/17489516/A-Jazz-Life-Scribd-Version" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/17489516/A-Jazz-Life-Scribd-Version</a> </p>
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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:04:00 +0000
Matt 2498@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>My brain just pooped. </p>
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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:14:34 +0000
JorgeRubiales 2496@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I don&#39;t think it has to do with Slonimsky, because he was working through symetrical divisions of the octave, so the upper octave would be the same as the lower...but again, I have just read through the book, not worked deep with it. </p>
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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:43:51 +0000
Sandemose 2493@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi Jorge, and welcome to the forum. I wonder how many who actually come here to read posts but dont write anything themselfs..? Eitherway, cool Jorge of you to bring this topic up. I remember reading that interview and that it made me vary confused and curious. I get Slonimskys &quot;Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns&quot; vibes about this. I guess some of those scales take over two octaves to complete themselfs (sometimes three or even four?) and thats why the scale contain different pitches in different registers. Anyone else who is better on this subject? I guess Im kinda guessing here...haha...</p> <p>Best, Sandemose</p> <p>EDIT: Slonimsky:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt47QZMJEWs&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt47QZMJEWs&amp;feature=related</a> </p>
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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:40:18 +0000
filters 2492@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m thinking about the tune &quot;safe corners&quot;... I don&#39;t know why. There&#39;s a moment in this tune where there&#39;s a unison between sax and guitar where the harmony seems quite weird, yet beautiful.<br /> But I don&#39;t know if it&#39;s related to this topic, but indeed, this seems quite interesting... especially when Kurt says &quot;Mark Turner is super-advanced in this area&quot;... wow. </p>
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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:08:38 +0000
JorgeRubiales 2490@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello again!</p> <p>For those who hasn&#39;t read the interview, here it is <a href="http://campstudio.blogspot.com/2008/05/real-rosenwinkel-now.html" rel="nofollow">http://campstudio.blogspot.com/2008/05/real-rosenwinkel-now.html</a></p> <p>In particular, the quote from Kurt that blew my mind (and still does) is: &quot;there are some moments in my songs that have a chord that one needs to use octave specific scales to play over. that &quot;chord tones&quot; only sound good in the bottom register and a completely different scale emerges at the top like a flower[...]&quot;</p> <p>I really can&#39;t understand how this can be without taking it to the common field of chord+tensions, e.g. Dm7b11 for a scale with three consecutive chromatic tones.</p> <p>Maybe a good topic to talk in the harmony book? ;) </p>
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filters 2488@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>amazing ! I had the same question in my head the whole week after re-reading this ! and I don&#39;t have any idea what it is about too. </p>
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Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:46:24 +0000
JorgeRubiales 2474@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello everybody!</p> <p>I&#39;m new to this forum, but have been reading it for a while.</p> <p>I would like to ask if somebody have had the chance to ask Kurt&#39;s about this topic. I have read in an interview on internet that sometimes he works with scales that have different notes depending on the octave, and I really don&#39;t have a clue as how to put this to work...</p> <p>If anybody has any insight into this, will be much appreciated. </p>