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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: pain - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: pain - Recent Posts en Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:11:41 +0000 thelonious77 on "Practicing time feel" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/practicing-time-feel#post-13823
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Fri, 12 Dec 2014 22:46:23 +0000
thelonious77 13823@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey, </p> <p>One of the best thing to improve one's time perception would be to play the drums ( pretty obvious). Playing the drums is about coordination and independence which is exactly the same thing as playing rhythms on a guitar.<br /> i mean the better is you independence the better the time feel would be (obvious again) </p> <p>Short of playing drums it' s possible to practice rhythms and time feel by clapping rhythms and singing melodies.<br /> I have been practicing this way for about 4 years now and I'm telling you it has been the most efficient practice I've done since I started playing about 15 years ago... </p> <p>I started by clapping this : in 4/4 time -(1)23(4) . then 1(+)(2)+(3)(+)4 then combining both to get the classic 2/3 clave. Singing any standard tune over it making sure everything was in focus and at a very slow tempo ( i.e 40 pbm)</p> <p>Then i moved to other rhythms more and more complex : for ex clapping the dotted quarter or dotted half and singing more involved melodies ( i.e Evidence, straight no chaser...)</p> <p>Then moved to subdivisions like clapping groups of triplets still sing tunes then poly-rhythms...</p> <p>This is all pretty obvious and simple but it helped me a great deal to understand that the guitar was sometimes in the way of improving my sense of grove and talking the drummer talk. </p> <p>Hope this is helpful. </p> <p>Best. </p> <p>T </p>
stolenmoments67 on "Tendonitis, and other injuries" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/tendonitis-and-other-injuries#post-10640
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Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:06:24 +0000
stolenmoments67 10640@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for all the advice.</p> <p>I've found a guy who deals with musicians health near to me, so I'm going to go to him for some help.</p> <p>I'm also going to experiment with a lighter guage of string (I use 12s), and I've been getting Alexander Technique lessons to adjust my technique. I would recommend these to anyone, as It was great to see all the weird habits I've developed! </p>
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Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:29:21 +0000
sza 10639@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I'm just recovering from a tendonitis in my right forearm, a problem in my Supinator Tunnel. </p> <p>I was not playing for 4 month, doing some physical therapy, but the only thing did really cure it, is: <strong>Kinezio Tape.</strong><br /> This is the same tape that you've seen athletes apply on their limbs or shoulders. The physical therapist showed me how to apply it on my forearm, and I've been using it for the past month and it actually cure my problem. Check it out. </p>
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Tue, 08 Jan 2013 03:26:51 +0000
kley2004 10637@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I've struggled with pain in both arms for 2 years. It got to the point where I was not only unable to play my guitar, but also do any other task that required repetitive motion from my hands (like typing on a keyboard or sorting out a large pile of papers).</p> <p>I went to see many doctors, therapists, went through tons of reading material on the internet. I was sent to do a bunch of tests and check ups, did yoga for 8 months. I also did not touch my instrument for 4 months - non of this helped. </p> <p>It got to the point where I started thinking I will not be able to play guitar ever again, until I found a really good and professional therapist, who had previous experience with a lot of musicians.</p> <p>Within a month (and a lot of hard work) my hands got significantly better and I was back to playing again.</p> <p>What's important to understand here is that every problem is different.</p> <p>Tendinitis is a broad term. You have to really diagnose YOUR problem!! And to do that you need somebody who's no stranger to musicians and musicians injuries.</p> <p>Hope this helps. </p>
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Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:41:51 +0000
patfarlow 10632@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>yoga / exercise </p>
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Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:11:14 +0000
add4 10631@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i'm sorry to by pushy on this, but cutting back is not enough, stopping is mandatory.<br /> Yuu've got 2 arms and you need both of them, not only for guitar, but for holding a baby while you do other things (sounds a lot like my life currently .. ) or do everything else that's not related to music :p<br /> The more rest you get, the faster you'll be able to start again.<br /> And identify what caused this at first might be interesting too. i got a tendinisis on my left (fretting hand) arm because of a guitar i had that sounded great with a super super high action.. i finally got rid of it and got better in 2 weeks. </p>
egav on "Tendonitis, and other injuries" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/tendonitis-and-other-injuries#post-10630
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Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:05:35 +0000
egav 10630@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I heard somewhere that Yngwie Malmsteen has to get cortizone shots every once in a while before some gigs before he can play. Not sure though. </p>
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Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:45:17 +0000
stolenmoments67 10628@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for all the advice.</p> <p>I have been seeing specialists, and I'm getting good advice and treatment. </p> <p>It's not easy to stop though - at the moment I'm studying Jazz in college, so it's a busy time for playing. I'm cutting back on practising, and trying to practise away from the guitar with ear training etc.</p> <p>I've had acupuncture, I found that helpful! </p>
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Fri, 04 Jan 2013 15:08:31 +0000
Quintricacy 10626@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Stop playing immediately! If you detect it quick enough, stop playing and do the right excercises your recovery time will be a lot faster than if you play through the pain. I definitely recommend going to see a physiotherapist over a doctor as they will give you excercises to strengthen the muscles and tendons in your forearm etc.</p> <p>Luckily I've never had tendonitis but I've always been kept myself aware as my sister had it and it meant she had to give up music all together, although her case is quite rare. I've had a trapped nerve in my neck which traveled down through my forearm and felt like someone was constantly squeezing my wrist. I immediately stopped playing and got physiotherapy, I followed all the excercises that were given to me and within 3 weeks I was 80% recovered and made a full recovery 2 weeks later. It comes back every now and again and I've found accupuncture to be very beneficial too! </p>
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Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:01:18 +0000
add4 10625@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>On friend pianist and saxophonist, had this kind of problem to both arms.<br /> He would never really stop playing, always playing at least a few mins of piano everyday, taking back his saxophone as soon as it got better.<br /> He finally struggled with it for 2 years or more, seeing doctors and being in pain all the time until they finally forced him to rest. He had to stop playing for a few (6 or 8 i think) months and it finally got better.</p> <p>Now he can play regularly.</p> <p>I had a tendinisis from work, using computer all day long. and i rested a lot and it finally stopped. I didn't had any problem since it got better.</p> <p>So i'd really advice resting completely before it gets really bad. put your playing aside for a time, put on something to imobilise your hand or whatever stimulates the pain, and wait.</p> <p>Good luck! </p>
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Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:29:51 +0000
docbop 10624@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I just hope your seeing a doctor so you don't make things worse. in music school they had a guitar playing doctor talk to us about working out a playing position and various warmup exercises. i have seen books by doctors for musicians on taking care of your hands and body. If you can't find a doctor who understands musicians issues, you can usually find a sports medicine doctor they deal with similar issues. </p>
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Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:44:26 +0000
stolenmoments67 10620@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey everyone,</p> <p>I'm struggling with tendonitis in my left forearm. I've talked to a few other players who either have tendonitis, and manage it, so its not too painful too play, and some players who have been able to get rid of it completely.</p> <p>I was wondering, does Kurt, or any other top class players, suffer from tendonitis, or any other playing related injuries? If so, how do they cope with them? Or have they had them in the past and been able to cure them? It would great to hear about this, maybe it would give hope to those of us with injuries!</p> <p>Also, It'd be great to hear about any of the forum users' experiences with tendonitis, or other injuries, and how they overcome, or manage them!</p> <p>Thanks! </p>
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Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:35:30 +0000
jorgemg1984 5344@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Yep. half-time feel is essential for fast tunes! Even on medium tunes is helpful as long as you keep your 8th notes swinging. </p>
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Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:29:57 +0000
silverwater 5343@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>@Sandemouse: Lately I&#39;ve been playing with people that like super fast tempos...tempos where if you&#39;re up there tapping your foot on every down beat you&#39;re going to look an epileptic (no offense to epileptics of course). So here&#39;s what I&#39;ve been doing.</p> <p>With up tempos, if you need to tap your foot to keep your place, the only way to go is: </p> <p> - Tap on the 1 in 3/4, </p> <p>- and tap on the 1 and 3 in 4/4. </p> <p>Maybe you already do this, if so then well maybe someone else can benefit from that tidbit.<br /> The less you&#39;re tapping your foot at a breakneck tempo the more relaxed your body will be, and the more relaxed you&#39;ll be at playing at that tempo. </p> <p>In the case of an up 4/4, I actually count and read in 2/2, treating eight notes like 16 notes. </p> <p>Playing eight notes at 250 bpm!! OMG panic time! (Shit my right hand is tensing up, damn it there&#39;s no swing!) etc...</p> <p>Playing 16th notes at 125 bpm: A much more relaxing proposal. </p> <p>And with 3/4, If you tap your foot on the one only you shouldn&#39;t have a problem getting lost. It&#39;s almost like you&#39;re playing in 12/8 at that point too. </p>
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Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:37:17 +0000
Barry Mando 5339@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>A while back I was trying to come up with different patterns that equal 16 and my fav by far was 2 5&#39;s and a six as 16ths. I was doing it linearly as well as intervallically. A ton of fun! </p>
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Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:33:51 +0000
Matt 5337@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>one thing that surprises me still is how difficult it is to simply keep good time when the quarter note equals 60, or something pretty slow. warne marsch&#39;s slow improvisation is something that for me is pretty difficult to maintain good time and feel. </p> <p>also, ben monder&#39;s exercise of playing scales at 5bpm, or any ridiculously slow tempo, is absolutely one of the hardest things to do.</p> <p>for me, i&#39;m focused on trying to be one with the pulse, just playing great, perfect time. it may be another twenty years, but that&#39;s my goal. </p>
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Sat, 13 Aug 2011 04:09:43 +0000
Sandemose 5334@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I always thought that Kurts piano playing sounded a bit like McCoys playing. Silverwater: thanks for the info and tips! I have realized that I have problem playing 3/4, esp. in fast tempos, I actually tend to lose the &quot;1&quot; at times which is frustrating. Counting the pulse while playing different groupings and polyrhythms should help my sense of periods and time keeping I guess.</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:35:38 +0000
silverwater 5332@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Chords in modal tunes, 3 over 4, for 8 bars. This was an Elvin Jones McCoy Tyner trademark. It&#39;s all over albums like A Love Supreme and the Real McCoy the original recording of Passion Dance. The 3/4 usually manifests itself as two dotted quarter notes from McCoy&#39;s left hand. </p> <p>It&#39;s one of those things I&#39;d heard a million times, but for some reason it didn&#39;t dawn that they were playing 3 over 4 until someone pointed it out to me...it just sounds like some good music.</p> <p>Hint: Over 8 bars of 4/4, you can play 10 bars of 3/4 and have 2 extra beats at the end. I&#39;ve been counting the bars of 3/4 as opposed to counting 1! (2) (3) 4! (1) (2) 3! (4) (1) 2! (3) (4) etc...maybe some people would prefer to do it like that but I just find it tedious. </p> <p>PS: Just listened to Passion Dance again...I think McCoy is doing this for 95% of the tune. </p>
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Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:48:53 +0000
oddthink 5308@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;ve been working this on 3 over 5/4 thing! (It works out to - every ten 16th-note triplets... [5x6=30 and 30/3=10]). But I want to just feel it, of course.... :) Great thread.... </p>
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Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:29:53 +0000
jorgemg1984 5307@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Worked a lot on bebop articulations on the last two years - attack on the upbeat and slur on the downbeat. Swing comes a lot from syncopation but also a lot from articulation. These articulations are really hard on guitar but worth it in the end :) </p>
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Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:23:49 +0000
fakejake 5306@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Great thread!<br /> Practicing and achieving a solid yet flexible and musical time feel is one of the hardest things for me to do...</p> <p>Up to now, what I did was:<br /> 1. Practicing bebop heads, getting them to swing as hard as possible in all different kind of tempos<br /> 2. Learning solos note for note and playing them along to the records<br /> 3. Using ideas from the &#39;Melodic Rhythms&#39; book, trying to incorporate them into my playing one by one.</p> <p>I&#39;d love to hear some other approaches on that! </p>
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Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:01:21 +0000
arewolfe 5305@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;ve really just been working on my swing 8th notes for the past 18 months. I find it very difficult and unnatural at certain tempos to keep long lines in time. Also I&#39;ve been working on 5/4. I can play in 7 with no problems... almost as natural as 4. But 5 is giving me a tough time. </p>
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Sandemose 5304@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Ive been working on 4:3 in different ways for a while now. Havent got it down by far, but playing seems so much funnier when really learning new stuff. This part for me is so negleted, so every progress with time feel gives new perpectives on how to use harmony as well.</p> <p>At the time Im working on just playing 4 notes over 3 beats (mostly arpeggios with four notes or pentatonic &quot;shapes&quot;) as well as 8:3. My goal is to be able to play 8 over 3 with only click on &quot;2&quot; (one TWO three, that is) without rushing. I cant play 4:3 yet, but Im closing in. It would be cool to be able to alternate between 8 over 3 and 16s notes tripplets in groups of four. &quot;Time&quot; will tell I guess.</p> <p>What rhythmic devices are you guys currently working with?</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>