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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: rat - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: rat - Recent Posts en Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:47:02 +0000 bingefeller on "Kurt's heartcore band guitar sound" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurts-heartcore-band-guitar-sound#post-14230
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Fri, 02 Oct 2015 06:31:23 +0000
bingefeller 14230@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>add4 - what is the tremolo trick please? </p>
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aramaya 14228@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for posting that link. There are so many great tunes on that album that I have<br /> never heard kurt play live beyond 2004 or so. It would be awesome to here him play<br /> tunes like DCBA, Love in the Modern World, Blue line, and Heartcore with his current<br /> sound. </p>
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Tue, 29 Sep 2015 08:44:52 +0000
add4 14226@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey guys,</p> <p>as you know, i'm currently back into the heartcore band live recordings and digging them.</p> <p><a href="https://youtu.be/sVLfvjtqzeM" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/sVLfvjtqzeM</a></p> <p>i especially love kurt's sound in them and i've always wondered how he gets that kind of 'doubling' sound on this record. it's almost as if there was an octaver pedal in front of the distortion or something else.<br /> I LOVE this sound it's really organic and expressive, but also really processed and almost synth like in a great way.</p> <p>so my guess is<br /> d'angelico<br /> polytone (2004 is still polytone era, right?)</p> <p>rat<br /> DL4<br /> i do hear a kind of always on tremolo on the recording so as kurt stated he uses this trick, i would say a subtle, always on, tremolo</p> <p>?? the 'magical' thing? if there is something?</p> <p>could it just be the rat with it's kind of separation between bass and treble channels?</p> <p>any suggestion would be appreciated </p>
add4 on "Kurt's OOOOOOLD problem with the rat" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/kurts-oooooold-problem-with-the-rat#post-14125
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Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:39:11 +0000
add4 14125@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>So i guess i am (very) late to the party, but in case Kurt still has any interest in this here is something that i think could have interested him 8 years ago.</p> <p>I was planning my pedalboard, and when i wrote 'rat' in the list, i remembered that i usually never like the rat with my volume pot all the way up, and wondered if i could find a way to integrate the effect of having the pickups volume down in the pedal, that would be great.<br /> Then i remembered that it's a commonly done mod for the fuzz face in order to provide subtler shades of distortion.</p> <p>Quoting the excellent article of R.G. Keen: 'the technology of the fuzz face' (<a href="http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/fuzzface/fffram.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/fuzzface/fffram.htm</a> )<br /> <blockquote>Another (Mod) is to connect a 50K pot, again as a series resistor, in series with the input of the circuit, before the 2.2uF input capacitor.</p> <p>If that last one seems a little odd, think back to what I said about the low input impedance. With a low input impedance, the input loads a guitar significantly; the base can only move a few tens of millivolts before cutting off or saturating the first transistor. If you put a resistor in series with the guitar pickup, it raises the apparent source impedance of the pickup, making it look more like a current source (albeit a tiny one) and less like a voltage source. A signal from a current source lets the input of the effect seek it's own voltage level, and merely supplies a varying current. This can be much more linear than a voltage source drive. As a result, the variable resistor allow you to radically clean up the distortion that the FF produces, producing subtle shades of softer distortion.</p> <p>In effect, the output mod is a "more" control, and the input mod is a "less" control. As you would expect, the two added controls can interact to produce many shades of distortion.<br /> </blockquote></p> <p>that mod is more simply explained at having another 'volume' pot as the one in the guitar, in front of the pedal.</p> <p>So a simple pot wired in series at the entrance of a pedal<br /> - lowers the input volume to the user's liking, allowing for better control on the distortion produced by the pedal<br /> - solves impedance problems linked to the pickup (if there is one, the input of the rat should theoretically be impervious to impedance problems)</p> <p>which is exactly what i'd like to have in front of the rat, while i keep my guitar's output pot where i want it.</p> <p>This remembered me kurt's question from 2007 on gearslutz: </p> <p><blockquote><br /> also a related question: my guitars outputs are too high and i dont like how they interact with my distortion box (rat). can i use some kind of d.i. box like an atty or radial jdv to sculpt how the guitar feeds the distortion box? </p> <p>...</p> <p>i also am playing a new guitar and i want to have some flexibility with how it affects the RAT pedal. i have a feeling that its not only a question of volume but also of impedance or ohms from the pickup. </p> <p>i think the solution might ultimately be different pickups, but for now i want a work around. i dont want to just lower the volume knob.<br /> </blockquote></p> <p>So in case it helps, i think it might be as easy as doing the mod i just mentioned. Of course i haven't tried it myself (yet) and i have about one thousand other pedal related stuff i want to do before that (babies makes you late in every personal project you had).<br /> But it think it would be worth trying and it could be as simple as using a simple pot, crocodile 'cables' and 2 jacks and put info in front of the rat, or have someone do the mod for you, or ask someone to build a rat with this mod.<br /> I know i'll try this when i'll build one for myself, with a few other mods to make the pedal more useable in a 'jazz' situation.</p> <p>Anyway i guess the question is completely out of scope now that Kurts rig is digital but in case it's still helpful, and/or for the sake of intellectual curiosity i thought i'd share.</p> <p>Peace<br /> Arnaud </p>
leunam12 on "el capistan and rat" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/el-capistan-and-rat#post-13871
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Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:24:45 +0000
leunam12 13871@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thx! </p>
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Sun, 14 Dec 2014 06:36:43 +0000
bingefeller 13826@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Very nice tone. </p>
panosy on "el capistan and rat" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/el-capistan-and-rat#post-13816
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Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:53:19 +0000
panosy 13816@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey, nice sound, what settings are you using for the Capistan? </p>
leunam12 on "el capistan and rat" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/el-capistan-and-rat#post-13682
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Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:08:36 +0000
leunam12 13682@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Try my new pedals </p> <p><a href="https://soundcloud.com/manuel-hobi-quartet/vers" rel="nofollow">https://soundcloud.com/manuel-hobi-quartet/vers</a> </p>
guitarmageddon on "Rat settings" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/rat-settings#post-12406
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guitarmageddon 12406@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Cool! Let us know how it goes.<br /> I'll bet there's quite a few guys here who have a shot at a "Kurt" type solo tone at times- c'mon, 'fess up! You dim the lights, put on some distortion, delay, turn up the mids, turn down the treble, sing along...maybe wear a peaked cap and big sun glasses...;)<br /> I'd be very interested to hear how many use a Rat (or similar), and how (parallel looper, low gain, tone off, etc.), and also from guys who use some other kind of distortion/drive. In particular the hollow or semi players, these are guitars that I find to be especially difficult to pair with dirt pedals. </p>
callum on "Rat settings" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/rat-settings#post-12404
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callum 12404@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Ok I'll try that out and see what happens. Cheers! </p>
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guitarmageddon 12403@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You'll hear the attack of the clean and it's short decay, then the sustain of the distortion follows it. I think this is why it sounds like two separate guitars. (kind of cool in it's own way tho) Try just a little compression on the clean sound, it helps the two sounds merge. </p>
callum on "Rat settings" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/rat-settings#post-12402
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Sat, 08 Mar 2014 01:55:10 +0000
callum 12402@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I was using the xotic x-blend to combine the rat sounds with my clean sound. It kinda just sounded like 2 guitar to me, if any of you have any advice on that I would welcome it... </p>
guitarmageddon on "Rat settings" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/rat-settings#post-12400
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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 23:48:03 +0000
guitarmageddon 12400@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>What sandman says is exactly how I see things, and how I use one too.<br /> I think the answer to Din's question is "no, yes and not at all".<br /> I suspect that early Kurt stuff would be just the Rat with the gain low, a la Sco, then latter, when he began prominently using Lehle gear, I think the Rat is in parallel, (listening to some solos on the album with the OJM for instance), though now he's gone digital I think he's probably no longer using a Rat live.<br /> Unfortunately, here in Australia, I've never had the chance to see him live, and the floor shots online of his pedals show a almost humorous tangle of cables, so this is all speculation on my part ;) </p>
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sandman 12397@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I don't know if he does, but I do. I found the tone of my actual guitar was effectively lost when using the RAT and the sound I got out sounded too metal. This is of course fine for certain situations, but not what I wanted. Mixing the RAT in parallel allowed me to be able to keep the clean tone of instrument and get a little bit (or a lot) of gravel in the tone giving it a bit of reed like character (in my opinion anyway). I'm not very good with pedals and what not though so there may be other more knowledgeable opinions than mine. but I'm not sure if that has to do with what this thread is about, or is it... </p>
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Din 12380@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Anybody knows if kurt uses the Rat in parallel? meaning that what sounds is his clean sound plus the rat?</p> <p>Thanks! </p>
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callum 12379@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Yeah I had a mess around a bit more and taking the gain down definitely improved it. At the moment I only have access to a practice amp, hopefully it'll sound a bit better through my proper rig. </p>
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guitarmageddon 12378@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The Rat is a pretty simple circuit that uses diodes to hard clip a voltage amplified signal.<br /> I think what you're describing is the sound of the hard clipping, you can certainly reduce the amount of clipping by backing off the gain, or disguise it a little by turning down the filter (tone).<br /> The Rat comes in several versions and the only significant difference between the Original, Rat II and "You Dirty" is the type of diodes used to produce the clipping. It's a fairly straightforward and common modification to put two or more different types of clipping options on a switch to yield some different distortion textures.<br /> Of course, playing style, strings, pickups and amps will also all come into the equation. It maybe that the sound of hard clipping is not for you. There are other options. Another type of clipping, found more often in overdrives, is known as "soft clipping." Here the clipping is done in the feedback loop of the opamp and does sound "softer." Some designs employ both hard and soft clipping too.<br /> I build, repair and modify effect pedals, including Rat type circuits, at codtone.com and am always happy to talk effects!</p> <p>Captain Cod<br /> <a href="http://www.codtone.com.au/">codtone.com</a> </p>
callum on "Rat settings" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/rat-settings#post-12374
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callum 12374@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey guys, I've had a rat for a while but I've only recently started actually using it. </p> <p>I'm finding it sounds great on the e a d and g strings (especially down low), and it also sounds great on the b and high e string above the 12th fret. But around the 5th fret on the b and high e, I get a strange tone, almost quite digital sounding which I don't like.</p> <p>Have any of you experienced something similar and no of a way to counteract this?</p> <p>Cheers,<br /> Callum </p>
Anonymous on "East Coast Love Affair Settings" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/east-coast-love-affair-settings#post-471
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Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:11:32 +0000
Anonymous 471@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Also I don&#39;t mean to sound too lame, I&#39;m not doing this because i want to copy kurt, but I think it&#39;s a good exercise to get inside a player&#39;s sound, lines and feel, if you want to understand his music </p>
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Anonymous 470@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey everyone, </p> <p>I bought the mel-bay book of transcriptions from east coast love affair. It says on the inside that kurt used a lexicon lxp-1, a rat, and an echo pro delay with a polytone minibrute III and a 335. I have all these components and i&#39;ve been messing around with it, but i can&#39;t seem to get anything close to what kurt got. I do have a 175, not a 335, but i feel like it shouldn&#39;t make as much of a difference as it does. I also have a minibrute II, not III. Anyone have any ideas on what the pedal settings were? Which delays? etc... </p>