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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: rhythm - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: rhythm - Recent Posts en Fri, 29 Jul 2016 07:49:24 +0000 wflynn13 on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11853
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Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:27:05 +0000
wflynn13 11853@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Mike's one of my favorite players. I've transcribed a lot of his stuff, although I haven't really gotten into his comping so much--mostly single-note lines.</p> <p>You can see my transcriptions here: <a href="http://www.williamflynnmusic.com/transcriptions/" rel="nofollow">http://www.williamflynnmusic.com/transcriptions/</a> </p>
reggit25 on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11845
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Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:52:37 +0000
reggit25 11845@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Wonderful tune! I would love to know too if anyone has any idea??</p> <p>J. </p>
Gesture on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11841
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Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:37:25 +0000
Gesture 11841@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrrm01ejHro" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrrm01ejHro</a></p> <p>Who knows the name of this song? </p>
smoke on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11602
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Mon, 05 Aug 2013 10:32:13 +0000
smoke 11602@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I don't know what your money situation is like, but you could email him about lessons. He teaches via Skype and could probably tell you his chordal philosophy directly. I haven't studied with him so I have no idea if he is a good teacher. </p>
Gia5 on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11585
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Thu, 01 Aug 2013 07:38:45 +0000
Gia5 11585@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The tune is UMMG (Upper Manhattan Medical Group) by Billy Strayhorn. </p>
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Thu, 01 Aug 2013 00:23:29 +0000
reggit25 11584@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Does anyone know what song they are playing in the video?<br /> J.</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wartllMbyiY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wartllMbyiY</a> </p>
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Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:09:09 +0000
Neither 11182@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks Benny for your answer.<br /> I've got Andrew Green's book. It's a great book but it talks about a much more traditional comping than Mike Moreno plays.<br /> I've got the Tim Lippincott video about modern Jazz Guitar (Harmony), and it's one of the best thing I saw on the subject.<br /> But my question is about the "real thing" great players play (voicing, rythm and harmony), about transcription of what they play.<br /> I search for this kind of thing, but for a modern guitar player :<br /> <a href="http://www.timfischermusic.com/lessons/dowar.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.timfischermusic.com/lessons/dowar.pdf</a> </p>
Benny on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11181
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Fri, 19 Apr 2013 07:47:22 +0000
Benny 11181@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi Neither,<br /> I can't see the videos as I'm at work but there are two sources of information on this subject I would recommend:<br /> 1. The book 'Jazz Guitar Comping' by Andrew Green;<br /> 2. The 5 part video lesson series 'Modern Jazz Guitar' by Tim Lippencott at mikemasterclasses.com - the 'harmony' video has plenty of information on "contemporary" comping approaches. </p>
Neither on "Mike Moreno : comping" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mike-moreno-comping#post-11180
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Fri, 19 Apr 2013 06:29:33 +0000
Neither 11180@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Did anybody ever transcribe Mike Moreno (or Adam Rogers, Kurt Rosenwinkel, Jonathan Kreisberg or another modern jazz guitar player) when he comps behind a solist ? Any help would be great.<br /> some examples :<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEzLqZGWdw4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEzLqZGWdw4</a><br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etg0GEDGpZ4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etg0GEDGpZ4</a><br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNBzGKRD4JU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNBzGKRD4JU</a><br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwRTcEkoQlU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwRTcEkoQlU</a> </p>
laruenickelson on "building lines?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/building-lines#post-4537
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Fri, 06 May 2011 23:56:35 +0000
laruenickelson 4537@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi Sandman---</p> <p>I will try to explain it. I put it up a while ago and forgot about it until I saw this thread. I had a sheet that went with it but I have no idea where that is and in looking at it I can see that it might be a bit confusing(even to me ---and I came up with it!).</p> <p>First I realize now that the order I put the first 7 examples in is bad.Number 5 should be first as that is the actual 4th&#39;s pattern that I started with---then numbers 3 and 1 would be next. They can be thought of as closed voicing arpeggios and the other 4 are like open voicing arpeggios.<br /> They all use the same three notes ---just different combinations. That&#39;s the real important thing.</p> <p>The example line is all groups of 3 .The concept was not to make each consecutive group start on a chromatic neighbor ---it in a way could be more random---depending on what you want to hear next. So if the last note of a 3 note motive is &quot;a&quot; then your next note(starting the next 3 note motivic group) could be any 12 notes(you could start the next group on &quot;a&quot; if you wanted a repeated note or octave).</p> <p>I hope that clears some things up but if not let me know.</p> <p>Matt-Jon Damian&#39;s palette chart was my starting place for this. I had been working on them as chords and I wrote a bunch of tunes using them. I think he talks about using them for melodies in the book---I just changed it for more line playing as his approach was from a melodic development standpoint.</p> <p>I&#39;d really be interested to hear what you guys do with this---keep me posted and let me hear what lines you can come up with using this.<br /> Thanks<br /> LaRue </p>
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Fri, 06 May 2011 20:24:52 +0000
sandman 4536@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Larue nickelson,</p> <p>This stuff seems pretty neat, can you give a more full explanation of it. I don&#39;t know if I understand why these three note patterns are called &quot;inversions of 4ths&quot; when some of the patterns (ex: 2 and 6) contain no P4ths. They seem to me to be intervalic patterns that are similar, but not inversions. </p> <p>And, concerning your example line, I thought it would be really helpful if you were to demarcate where each &quot;motive&quot; begins and ends. Is each &quot;motive&quot; a 3 note group? If so it doesn&#39;t seem that the 3rd note of the previous group and the first note of the next group are always chromatic neighbors, nor are the starting notes of each consecutive group chromatic neighbors. </p> <p>there is probably some fundamental thing I am missing here and look forward to finding out what it is. </p> <p>Thanks for the neat ideas and cool post. I&#39;ll be sure to experiment with these when I get to my instrument. </p>
Matt on "building lines?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/building-lines#post-4520
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Wed, 04 May 2011 16:28:39 +0000
Matt 4520@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i might try this. nir, bryan, and chris are phenomenal players!<br /> also, this seems to have a strong relationship to Jon damian&#39;s palette chart... </p>
laruenickelson on "building lines?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/building-lines#post-4518
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Wed, 04 May 2011 15:50:43 +0000
laruenickelson 4518@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/39700529/Chromatic-Motivic-Line-Str" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/39700529/Chromatic-Motivic-Line-Str</a></p> <p>Here is a quick thing I put up of an idea I had for lines. I was trying to find a way of getting the sounds like George Garzone, Chris Crocco, Nir Felder and Brian Baker get but using my own method. It was a good idea(i guess) but I haven&#39;t had enough time to practice and get it up to improvising speed. I didn&#39;t want to play like this all the time obviously but as another color it intrigued me. Let me know what you guys think or if it makes sense at all. </p>
igor.blomberg on "building lines?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/building-lines#post-4513
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Wed, 04 May 2011 10:00:34 +0000
igor.blomberg 4513@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Where is this video? Checked the videos on the main website but can&#39;t find anything other than concerts and a few interviews. Is it in one of those? </p>
JorgeRubiales on "building lines?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/building-lines#post-4499
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Tue, 03 May 2011 18:34:13 +0000
JorgeRubiales 4499@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>There&#39;s a Kurt video over here where he plays that same exercise. Basically it&#39;s going through the modes bout with an emphasis on reaching the furthest you can on the fingerboard instead of locking in one position </p>
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Sun, 01 May 2011 15:20:55 +0000
igor.blomberg 4471@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>@EvanM, I don&#39;t quite understand your exercise. Can you explain again how you move up the neck when you do it? </p>
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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:23:51 +0000
EvanM 4454@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>This is something that I struggled with for some time. It may be different for you guys, but I felt like I had all this information in my head, scales, voice-leading, alternate changes and harmony, but everything I played sounded like crap or like a poor regurgitation of something I played/heard earlier.</p> <p>The whole solution was pretty complex for me, but it started turning around when I started doing this really simple exercise. Play a C major scale from root to root up, then 2 down to 2, then 3 up to 3, etc. I would do this in at least 3 different octaves (through all 12 keys), always moving the pattern up the neck instead of across like we all tend to train ourselves when we&#39;re first starting out. Simple/obvious as it is, it really helped solidify my command on the neck and my modes. From there on it was listening/transcribing a lot of Kurt and Peter Bernstein to work on my time and phrasing. I think after that, then you can get to the point that Jorge made, which is pushing yourself above the changes.</p> <p>One of my favorite instructors told me once that our end goal as jazz musicians should be to play chromatically.</p> <p>Anyways, hope all is well. My best to you both. </p>
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:00:26 +0000
JorgeRubiales 4449@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Well, when I really want the line to take over, I almost forget about the changes and focus on direction, dynamics, accents... </p>
Matt on "building lines?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/building-lines#post-4448
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:24:20 +0000
Matt 4448@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i&#39;ve seen ideas on this scattered throughout some threads, but to bring it all together, how do you guys approach building lines? i mean how do you develop your sense of direction, what notes/rhythms to play, reacting with a group, phrasing...i&#39;ve been listening to a lot of bill evans and jim hall lately and they seem to have incredible senses of the moment and where they&#39;re going and development. so im curious how you guys approach it past scales, chord tones, etc. </p>
Poparad on "Minor Blues Rhythm Help" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/minor-blues-rhythm-help#post-2136
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Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:01:08 +0000
Poparad 2136@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>At first, I was inclined to agree that it was dotted eights, however, after writing it out, it ends up taking up too many measures to end where Kurt ends at (which is about the 9th bar of the form). I&#39;m fairly certain that it&#39;s actually just quarter note triplets. However, what&#39;s weird about it is that it&#39;s starting on beat 2 of the second measure, so the bar line is obscured all the way through the idea. </p>
Matt on "Minor Blues Rhythm Help" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/minor-blues-rhythm-help#post-2127
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Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:52:06 +0000
Matt 2127@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I have to admit, i have used Audacity to slow down parts of it.<br /> But, I&#39;ve only transcribed one other solo and am in high school. hopefully that&#39;s no sin. </p>
Sandemose on "Minor Blues Rhythm Help" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/minor-blues-rhythm-help#post-2126
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Mon, 26 Jul 2010 05:52:23 +0000
Sandemose 2126@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Go Quintricacy, goo! </p>
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Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:18:18 +0000
Quintricacy 2124@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Give me a moment when I have some free time and I&#39;ll write it out rhythmically and put it up here for you. </p>
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Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:30:35 +0000
arewolfe 2122@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s as easy as putting a polyrhtythm number on it. My guess is that he wasn&#39;t thinking about it much when he was playing. It sounds to me like he was totally in one of those moments where you&#39;re just letting go... the music comes out through your hands... your senses almost divide in half to the point where you&#39;re paying more attention to &quot;how&quot; your notes sound against the time than &quot;if&quot; your notes are in time. You&#39;re not trying to force your notes into a specific space (i.e. 8th notes), they&#39;re just happening. </p> <p>I think if you have a very solid sense of time you can actually listen to yourself soloing against the context of the music that&#39;s happening around you. You can actually listen to the two different things that are happening (your solo vs. the actual pulse of the music) because half of your brain is helping create the musical ideas, and the other half of your brain is listening to how your solo sounds against the rest of the band. Almost like you&#39;re listening to the music that you&#39;re enveloped in through a 2nd set of ears.</p> <p>On a related note, I tried transcribing the line from Minor Blues at 2:18 the other day. I failed miserably. For years I&#39;d been curious to find out what the hell he was doing there. I spent 45 minutes and could not figure it out. It was the first time I&#39;ve ever acknowledged that maybe one of those &quot;slow-downer&quot; transcribing tools would have been useful. </p>
Matt on "Minor Blues Rhythm Help" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/minor-blues-rhythm-help#post-2114
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Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:35:36 +0000
Matt 2114@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for the inspiration, Sandemost.</p> <p>I&#39;ll continue to work on it and notate it the best i can. Maybe Popard can revise it after I&#39;m done? </p>
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Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:51:58 +0000
Sandemose 2113@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I would bet my left hand Poparad can figure this one out, if he havent done it already? Eitherway, Matt, if you can play the solo (which would be awesome) thats the most important thing, much more important to be able to write it down (even if thats a good thing as well). Good work dude, would be cool to hear you play it.</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:31:00 +0000
Matt 2111@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I don&#39;t understand any of that.<br /> i think that shows i probably shouldn&#39;t be trying to transcribe this solo. </p>
Anonymous on "Composing" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/composing#post-2070
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Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:01:47 +0000
Anonymous 2070@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>A composer (Latin com+ponere, literally &quot;one who puts together&quot;) is a person who creates music, either by musical notation or oral tradition, for interpretation and performance, or through direct manipulation of sonic material through electronic media. This is real explanation of composer or composing. </p>
Quintricacy on "Minor Blues Rhythm Help" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/minor-blues-rhythm-help#post-2050
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Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:19:51 +0000
Quintricacy 2050@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>It sounds like a 4:3 relationship but crossing the bar lines. Which would make it dotted 8th&#39;s maybe. That&#39;s what I think it might be anyways.</p> <p>*Just listened to it again there and it sounds more like quarter note triplets in different groupings. Or another way could be he&#39;s doing a metric modulation where the quarter note triplet becomes the new quarter note as there&#39;s generally 8 notes to the pattern. But you&#39;d still write that as quarter note triplets in the transcription and use phrase marks to outline how the triplets are grouped. </p>
Matt on "Minor Blues Rhythm Help" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/minor-blues-rhythm-help#post-2049
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Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:10:51 +0000
Matt 2049@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m attempting to transcribe Kurt&#39;s solo on &quot;minor blues&quot;, but the rhythms in the opening bars (after the opening quarter-note triplets and the first bar) are giving me a hard time. They sound almost like 7:4 polyrhythms, but not as even, and he sneaks a note in at the end that makes it (to my ears) not a pair of quarter-note triplets.<br /> I haven;t found any notated transcriptions of this solo, and any help is appreciated.! </p>