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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: standards - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: standards - Recent Posts en Fri, 01 Jul 2016 06:11:00 +0000 jarediledundee on "New Kurt trio vids" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/new-kurt-trio-vids#post-14117
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jarediledundee 14117@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Same guitar too—That thing can project! amazing vid </p>
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arewolfe 14116@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Different gig and different group (quartet), but quite recent. The outro on Deja Vu never fails to blow me into the stratosphere.</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T1S_r1ZH-Q" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T1S_r1ZH-Q</a> </p>
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arewolfe 14115@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Just watched Simone. Raging band. </p>
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jarediledundee 14092@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>New to me, at least..</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on7UugkgRRM" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on7UugkgRRM</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPA5XJjGQog" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPA5XJjGQog</a> </p>
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jarediledundee 13516@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I stumbled onto this site today...</p> <p><a href="http://www.learnjazzstandards.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.learnjazzstandards.com/</a></p> <p>Gives original reference material and play alongs and sheet music for lots of standards. And categorizes them </p>
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arewolfe 13514@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Actually digging the tune you're working on is pretty crucial. Once you're working with a tune you enjoy, transcribe a classic version. Or just sit with a chart in front of you and play it over and over and over for a few days (or weeks). If you really dig the tune the repetition aspect won't be a problem and you'll internalize it.</p> <p>If you're working on a tune you don't particularly enjoy, employing some of the ideas mentioned above will be helpful. </p>
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Thiago 13511@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You can find some interesting articles about this on jazzadvice.com. </p>
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Pauli Poulsen 13509@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think the key is just repetition. I like using the iRealbook. If I'm learning a tune I'll put set the app to repeat the tune a bunch of times and just play the melody, and play it another bunch of times improvising over the changes. </p> <p>And important part of learning a tune is listening to recordings. Knowing the tune by listening is so important, because it's easier to play anything if you can hear it in your head first. This way you'll also catch different nuances which may not be reflected in the lead sheet, such as intro/outros, band hits, etc. </p> <p>Lastly I would recommend try and learn the chord progression in relation to the key (so Dm7 - G7 - Cma7 would be IIm7 - V7 - Ima7), and then play the tune in all 12 keys going around in a cycle of 5ths. The iRealbook actually has a feature for this. Set it to cycles through the keys, and try to improv over it without looking at the changes on the screen. </p> <p>This last step will really solidify the changes in your memory. You will know them on a deep level. </p> <p>Hope some of this is useful to you. </p>
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animitta 13508@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello,<br /> I had the fortune to partecipate to some masterclasses of Kurt, in Italy. I remember he suggested a way to memorize really well a tune.</p> <p>Let's take this "dummy" harmony as an example (every chord last for four beats):</p> <p>Dm7 | G7 | Cmaj 7 | Cmaj 7|</p> <p>On every chord you will play just the root and seven of the chord, for one beat, than fifth and thirth for another beat and than repeat for the other two beats (or you can mix the approach). </p> <p>So you will have something similar:</p> <p>Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 Cmaj7<br /> 1 2 3 4 | 1 2 3 4 | 1 2 3 4 | 1 2 3 4<br /> D A D A |G D G D | C G C G |C G C G |<br /> C F C F |F B F B | B E B E |B E B E |</p> <p>You will have to adjust accordingly to the different chords (ex:Dm7b5 or Bb7b5) you can encounter in a tune.</p> <p>Make this in every place of the fingerboard, for a tune of your choice, also mixing the approach: you will never forget the tune and you will know it really well.</p> <p>Hope it is clear enough and that it could help.</p> <p>All the Best</p> <p>Riccardo </p>
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bgil89 13507@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You can also play songs in different keys, that helps me a lot. </p>
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Nathan078 13503@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for the input! </p>
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jorgemg1984 13500@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>In my experience the more you do it the easier it gets... no special tricks. Good ears and a good vision of harmony help of course. My melodic ear is worst than my harmonic hear so it's much harder for me to memorize melodies for example. </p>
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Nathan078 13497@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey guys what are some ways you all memorize tunes? </p>
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thedwork 12782@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Great late set tonight at The Jazz Showcase from the trio!</p> <p>Along Came Betty<br /> Invitation<br /> Deep Song<br /> Goodbye Porkpie Hat<br /> Satellite<br /> Just One Of Those Things</p> <p>there were a couple other tunes in there that i couldn't place. so glad you're in town and i will be back tomorrow night and sunday as well. looking forward to it :) </p>
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piggyfly0000 10725@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I just realized something. Once again, I approached music the wrong way. I just finished reading an article on Brad Mehldau's website. In one of his articles he writes, "When a jazz musician blows an uninspired solo, he or she dies right in front of us – and we die with them, of boredom. When a jazz musician blows a great solo though, he or she avoids dying a creative death in real time, right in front of us, for all to see. It is a victory and it’s a thrill – it’s the jazz Sublime." My dissatisfaction comes from a lack of inspiration. Basically, I think I'm not getting out of any of these exercises because I am not inspired as of now. I now understand your satisfaction with your sound is NOT a product of all of the exercises you have done. I think I will only feel good about my playing when I play something out of true inspiration.... right???? hahah </p>
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Sandemose 10724@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I like working with intervals, like for instanse, sixts and make my way through a song being consistant in playing only sixts. Like in Autumn Leaves, you might play Bb-G (Cm), B-Ab (F7), C-A (Bbmaj), D-Bb (Ebmaj). Then I pick another interwal, now I work quite much with 4ths. I like the stuff Kurt talks about in the Gdansk clinic. Work hard with the basics. Learning stuff so you can play it by heart.</p> <p>Off topic: I realized that I memorize tunes better when I first play through it a couple of times, making a simple bass note/chord arrangement (if possible) of the tune (Alice in wonderland is the latest), and then I transpose it a major 3rd up or down, trying to play the song just by ear, using different sting sets and chord stuctures. It gets much better internalized. I realized this when I played with this great singer, and she wanted to play a song a major 3rd down. The song totally opened after a few turns.</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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piggyfly0000 10722@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I completely agree that learning jazz is very circular. I actually decided to work on my triplet feel today haha. </p>
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fakejake 10721@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I started out pretty much the same way as you described, practicing arpeggios and targeting guide tones. Learning a couple of lines also helps a great deal. Recently I started to work on triad pairs which instantly give you a more modern sound when playing over 251s.<br /> As with anything in learning an instrument, it's a circular process. I guess you'll always come back to practicing arpeggios and outlining the changes, and each time you grasp more of the underlying concepts and language.<br /> I'm far from being a good or accomplished player, still I play way better than I ever thought I would when I first started out listening to and playing Jazz, so I guess there is hope.... </p>
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piggyfly0000 10720@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi all, </p> <p>I'm a few years into playing jazz, and I wanted to hear your <em>personal</em> thoughts on ii - V's. When I started playing, a teacher suggested I should outline the changes of a standard and connect the last note of an arpeggio with another note &lt; a whole step of the next arpeggio. This exercise was great in the beginning but limited my playing in the end. Then I started thinking about tension and release while I paid attention to the rhythm and feel of the music. I tried not to think too much about the "theory" behind my lines. This approach was liberating in a sense, but I still outlined the chords and incorporated some passing notes to phrase my lines. Then, someone suggested I should sing what I would play before I placed my hand on an instrument. I suck at singing, so it helped a little bit. I'm still dissatisfied and need some advice. Can you guys tell me how you started off thinking about ii-Vs, and how you approach them now? </p>
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silverwater 10440@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>There aren't many standards you can't play with a 1/2 time back beat feel. Playing Skylark over a rock beat is surprisingly fun, same with Freedom Jazz Dance. And let's not forget about Summertime techo.</p> <p>Stern's got some fun tunes to play, like Chromazone. There's "Wayne's Thang" by Kenny Garrett. Wayne himself has a lot of tunes that can work how you described. "Cats and Kittens" by Peter Erskine. "Phyrgia" by Adam Rogers. And of course there are countless Scofield groove tunes break out. For Metheny tunes I've always wanted to play "Airstream".</p> <p>Find some Tribal Tech stuff to play. I made a rhythm section sheet for "Nite Club", let me know if you want it and I can send it to you. </p> <p>I play"Hot 'Lanta" by the Allman Brothers sometimes, I made a chart for that I could send you too. </p> <p>But when all else fails, play something by Stevie Wonder. People flip out for him. </p>
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gleepglop 10428@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>"Standards don't get old how people play them that gets old. You and your group needs to find fresh ways to play the tunes and good playing always sounds fresh. Playing within the boundaries of a gig is a good lesson in being creative. "</p> <p>This +1000. Interpreting standards is a challenge in finding your creativity as a jazz musician--some might say that it's one of the essential aspects of being a jazz musician. I think overcoming the potential "staleness" is part of it, and most of us struggle with that to some extent.<br /> Listen to Keith Jarrett's trio; just about all they do is play standards and it always sounds fresh and creative, even when they're tunes you've heard him play before. </p> <p>That said, I also agree with working on original music and playing music the speaks to you. You don't have to feel a connection with every standard, but if you can't find 100+ standards to connect with, there is something else that's the problem. Most of the jazz musicians I know complain that they don't get to play standards enough--most gigs are 90-100% original music. </p>
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arewolfe 10427@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You have to play tunes that speak to you. Songs that excite when you merely think about playing them. </p> <p>Never feel an obligation to play a standard - or any song - that bores you, unless you're getting paid specifically to do so. </p>
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jazzacast55 10426@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Couldn't agree more with docbop </p>
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docbop 10425@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Standards don't get old how people play them that gets old. You and your group needs to find fresh ways to play the tunes and good playing always sounds fresh. Playing within the boundaries of a gig is a good lesson in being creative. </p>
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jazzacast55 10422@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Man keep it simple and create a list of standards like maybe:</p> <p>Straight no chaser, All the things, There will never be another you, let's cool one, rhythm changes, body and soul, caravan, footprints.<br /> If you have those down like really down they are so much fun and they all have so much in them and are great for fun band interaction that the audience can pick up on.<br /> I think one of the biggest problems with jazz is that very few people no or maybe even care who they play to.<br /> It is important and it is ok to see your audience as other jazz musicians, they are people too, they are the majority of most jazz audiences, if your audience is musicians then you can go a little more crazy with your tune selection but if not play some of the great tunes I listed above, any audience will love those if you get them swinging!<br /> I would much rather hear someone killing it on rhythm changes (oles, wee) then struggling and sounding lost with a tune like Turns or cubism.<br /> I used to write tunes that were in the modern mold and realized that wasn't me, I like simple tunes with strong, memorable melodies that can be free enough for your band to have fun playing.<br /> I think if they are sounding cheesy, and don't take this the wrong way because I have asked my self the same thing, but if they are sounding cheesy maybe look at how you are playing them? how your band is playing them? you drummer mightn't be cutting it or the bass isn't swinging, they can make it sound cheesy as much as you.<br /> Hope that helps </p>
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Sun, 02 Dec 2012 00:45:54 +0000
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surfinboy 10420@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I do write as well. Right now we're probably half originals, half covers. Excellent point though!</p> <p>Guitarguy I'm definitely with you to a certain degree. However, a big problem with a lot of the jazz I hear is that it's just stuff for the other people on stage, jazz musicians &amp; music geeks to listen to, and that's about where it ends. I once heard Wayne Krantz say that if you don't think about your audience, it's no longer art but just an act of selfishness. So many of us are so concerned about how hip our sh*t sounds, and the people we drag out to our gigs are usually just fellow musicians - then we go out and hear them, and it becomes an incestuous scene where it's just musicians listening to other musicians. Then when we're listening it's not for pleasure, but for evaluation and fitting that player or band at the appropriate spot in your artistic hierarchy. </p>
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TruthHertz 10419@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Why do you think so many modern players write their own music? Composing is an expression that is closely akin to a thoughtful solo. You must know about form, meter, melody. harmony. Composing structures that are vehicles for improvisation is a skill that gets easier with practice and over time. It also teaches you a lot about yourself. Have you ever considered that option?<br /> David </p>
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guitarmo 10418@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Accessible jazz is an oxymoron! HAH! </p>
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