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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: Stride - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: Stride - Recent Posts en Sat, 02 Jul 2016 02:01:59 +0000 fakejake on "Help! Lesson on Kurt’s stride guitar exercise" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/help-lesson-on-kurt%e2%80%99s-stride-guitar-exercise#post-5924
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Sat, 05 Nov 2011 17:38:02 +0000
fakejake 5924@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks again guys for the suggestions! Arewolfe, I really appreciate you took the time to give some detailed exercises.<br /> Smoke, I'll check out those links tomorrow. I've heard great things about Ted Greene as a teacher, but I never really came across any recordings of him. I should check on that. Anyway, these ideas should keep me busy for the upcoming weeks.<br /> Cheers! </p>
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Thu, 03 Nov 2011 21:04:07 +0000
smoke 5915@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>To follow up on my first post, I will link to a few Ted exercises that might help:</p> <p>One beat/chord.</p> <p><a href="http://www.tedgreene.com/images/lessons/comping/WhenSunnyGetsBlue_Comp.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.tedgreene.com/images/lessons/comping/WhenSunnyGetsBlue_Comp.pdf</a></p> <p>Two beats/chord, but lots of nice moves.</p> <p><a href="http://www.tedgreene.com/images/lessons/comping/JustFriends_Comping.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.tedgreene.com/images/lessons/comping/JustFriends_Comping.pdf</a> </p>
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Thu, 03 Nov 2011 11:01:12 +0000
arewolfe 5914@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>KR has mentioned the Van Eps books at his clinics (Harmonic Mechanisms for Guitar). Personally I can't handle that stuff. I've tried to fool myself by going through all the exercises but it doesn't stick with me. I learn voicings better by experimenting and playing around on the neck and visualizing where each chord tone or tension is, and moving a specific note to get a different sound, voicing, etc, and then figuring out what that voicing is enharmonically. (C7 = F#7 b5 b9 = Abmaj9 #5 = C#diminished 7 major 7 = etc etc). </p> <p>Here's an exercise you can do to get yourself more familiar with slash chords: Get a pen and paper or use your computer to write it down.</p> <p>Start with a major triad: Write out all twelve chords that will result when you put a different note in the bass. I'll use C as the triad. This particular chord makes it easy to play this exercise on the instrument so you can hear how different each of the 12 chords sounds just by putting a different note in the bass. (G, C, E on strings 3, 2, 1 makes it easy to play all 12 possibilities).</p> <p>1. E in the bass. Notes in the chord = E, G, C, E. Chord created: C over E<br /> 2. F in the bass. Notes in the chord = F, G, C, E. Chord created: Fsus2 major7<br /> 3. F# in the bass. Notes in the chord = F#, G, C, E. Chord created: debatable... haha<br /> 4. G in the bass: Notes in the chord = G, G, C, E. Chord created: C over G<br /> 5. Ab in the bass. Notes in the chord = Ab, G, C, E. Chord created: Ab maj7 #5<br /> 6<br /> 7<br /> 8<br /> 9<br /> 10<br /> 11<br /> 12</p> <p>^^ fill in the blanks... you can do this exercise with any chord to come up with interesting stuff. You can do it with 7th chords. You can even put triads over triads, or 7th chords over 7th chords. And of course you're going to get different sounds depending on the order of the notes in the voicing. At some point you'll want a piano player to help you out LOL. </p>
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Thu, 03 Nov 2011 10:07:42 +0000
smoke 5913@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Check out some of Ted Greene's comping lessons on his site - <a href="http://www.tedgreene.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tedgreene.com</a>. One that comes to mind is the lesson on comping on 'When Sunny Gets Blue'. He basically plays a chord/beat and you can pick up a lot of moves from looking at that lesson. </p> <p> To me, a lot of what Kurt is doing sounds like stuff Ted and George Van Eps did. You can pull a lot from digging around on Ted's site or listening to George Van Eps. I could be way off on his influences, but it sure sounds like their stuff to me. </p>
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Thu, 03 Nov 2011 04:40:57 +0000
fakejake 5910@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>arewolf, thanks so much, those ideas sound super exciting! I'm currently at work, but I can't wait to try them this evening!</p> <p>About the chords he uses, last night I tried to figure out an intro Kurt played on Darn that Dream, and he used quite a few slash chords. I'm only vaguely familiar with the concept of slash chords, is there any book/ resource on that topic that would provide as a good introduction?</p> <p>Still hoping for some more responses, cheers, Jake </p>
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Thu, 03 Nov 2011 00:02:01 +0000
arewolfe 5909@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Note: all of the examples here resolve to F </p> <p>I lost the clinic when my old computer died, but I remember him talking about the concept of "chromatic chords"... essentially chords in between the written harmony of a tune. </p> <p>For example if a tune has two chords per bar the original harmony might be:<br /> F / D7 / | G-7 / C7 / | </p> <p>Adding the chromatic chords might look like this (creating a stride feel w/ a chord on every beat):<br /> F Eb7 D7 Ab7 | G-7 Db7 C7 Edim |</p> <p>You can voice lead stuff like this by utilizing tensions.<br /> F Eb9 D7#9 Ab7(13) | G-7 Db7 C7 Gb7(b5) |</p> <p>You can approach any given chord in the harmony from above or below the target chord. I think most often you'd use a dominant chord when approaching a target chord from a half step above, and you'd use a diminished chord if you're approaching from a half step below.</p> <p>Approaching target chords from above is represented in my stride example above. Approaching all the original chords from below might look like this:</p> <p>Original: F / D7 / | G-7 / C7 | </p> <p>Stride: F C#dim D7 F#dim | G-7 Bdim C7 Edim |</p> <p>The harmony can be stretched even further if you use tritone subs over the II V in measure two, AND THEN add chromatic chords to fill everything in.</p> <p>Original: F / D7 / | C#-7 / F#7 / |</p> <p>Stride version: F Eb9 A-7 D7 | C#-7 F#7 G-7 C7 |</p> <p>And of course you can try to smooth out some of that with voice leading using tensions.</p> <p>For me it helps to first get a walking bass line going on. Maybe even write it down. That will help you discover what chords you want to use because you've already established the root note of each chord. </p>
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Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:08:07 +0000
arewolfe 5908@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I've heard him do this over a rhythm changes tune (I don't know what tune it was) at another clinic. Basically he described it as playing stride piano. He was playing a chord on ever beat as well as a melody which was a rhythmic entity separate from the quarter note chords. And then he soloed over himself playing a chord on ever beat... it was the scariest shit I've ever heard come out of a solo guitar performance. Blew my fuckin head right off. I don't completely understand how he was doing it. </p> <p>In terms of the harmony I know he often substitutes II-V's with their tritone subs. For example on a turn around like F, D7, G-7, C7 he might play F, D7, C#-7, F#7 </p>
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Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:37:43 +0000
fakejake 5907@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi guys,<br /> I am desperately trying to figure out whats going on when Kurt does his ‚1chord per beat’ thing (like here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ujyB5TVpc&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player)" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ujyB5TVpc&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player)</a> or a breathtaking intro like this: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYw2CQOLO_c" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYw2CQOLO_c</a></p> <p>I understand the basic concept of the exercise, I know my close position and drop 1 + 2 voicings and their inversions, and I know about ‚basic substitions (tritone and diatonic – like Cmaj for Amin etc..).<br /> Still, when I try to apply this to a tune like Falling Grace, it sounds super boring, mostly like comping.<br /> I am just an amateur player and I am not afraid to say that I understand very little of what he’s doing. Is he constantly reharmonizing in a very complex way? What are some of the more unusual, ‚hipper’ voicings he is using?</p> <p>So, this goes out to the many advanced players on this forum: Has anybody written out some parts of Kurt playing in that style, (or is anybody willing to do so, probably if he/ she is interested in that matter anyway ) and would share their transcriptions?<br /> Even more, would someone be willing to do a small youtube lesson on that topic, explaining some of the concepts to use, maybe going through a chorus of stride playing step by step?<br /> I know it is asking a lot, but making a lesson or transcribing can be a lot of fun (yeah! ;-) ) and material like that would really help me get started, and lots of other players probably as well.<br /> Curious about your responses,<br /> Jake</p> <p>(PS: If anyone who knows about that stuff lives in Berlin, maybe even is one of Kurts students: I’d be interested to take lessons from you!) </p>
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Anonymous 1695@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>When I first heard his arrangement for &quot;Snowy Morning Blues&quot;, I knew immediately I had to learn this tune and more about the stride guitar style itself</p> <p><a href="http://discountedzhuhamsterpets.com/1/zhu-zhu-pets" rel="nofollow">http://discountedzhuhamsterpets.com/1/zhu-zhu-pets</a> </p>
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26-2 1686@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You can check steve herberman lessons at mike masterclasses, some of them are quite interesting, there is a lot of material to think about! </p>
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jazzbum 1684@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I was listening to Kurt&#39;s NGW clinic today again and his chord melody of These Foolish Things really amazed me. To have a chord on every beat with melody just shows how much the guitar can do harmonically. He says something before the example about being kind of like stride. Youtube has this:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHE6FSeWuLQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHE6FSeWuLQ</a></p> <p>If that doesn&#39;t sell you on buying all of the van eps method books I don&#39;t know what will. Any other ideas or comments about translating stride piano to guitar would be awesome. :) </p>