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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: Study - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: Study - Recent Posts en Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:56:06 +0000 silverwater on "Harmonic Study Forum" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/harmonic-study-forum#post-9006
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Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:07:20 +0000
silverwater 9006@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I agree that people can become too wrapped up in terminology for their own good, and knowing what to name things doesn't mean you're going to be a good player. However having the "correct" terminology can be useful. The name itself can help someone conceptualize and contextualize the idea, which can provide for greater understanding and application, as well as be helpful when wanting to teach the idea to someone else. </p> <p>I've come across many examples in harmonic analysis though which I've felt were just six of one, half dozen of the other. </p>
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Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:21:47 +0000
docbop 8984@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I used to read and post a lot on harmony and theory sites, but finally gave up I got tied of the constant arguments. My learned H&amp;T in Jazz oriented schools and guitar teachers. But you go online especially these day a lot of traditional music educated people and they have meltdowns mainly over terminology. They even start fighting with each other over which books terminology is "correct". Bottom line the theory is all the same just different labels get put on things. This was frustrating because I would see noobs finally decide to learn H&amp;T and get scared off because there questions would turn into flame wars over terminology. </p> <p>Again all the H&amp;T is the same be it Bach or Bebop or Beiber the terms used are different but what they are doing is the same things. I studied composition and the teacher to get the rocker players attention used Beatles and some Pop music for examples to some traditional H&amp;T topics. Hal Galper is teach Jazz for starts showing how Bach interpreted time. Traditional H&amp;T talks about neighbor tones and uses a couple other terms, talk to a Jazz improv teacher and they will be talking approach notes and melodic embellishments. All the same stuff just different terms.</p> <p>So find a book for your level that the authors style of writing works for you. Get teacher to work with you its cool to see how this stuff applies. No teacher find someone else interested in learning H&amp;T so you have someone to discuss the things your studying. Two or more heads are good to study and discuss how each see it. If you know your basics and ready to move on then Mark Levines book Jazz Theory is good with lots of Jazz examples. Bert Ligon books are real good. Bert teaches at USC (Univ of South Carolina) and some of his material is available for download free. If you are really interested you'll find the information its just a Google away. </p>
Benny on "Harmonic Study Forum" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/harmonic-study-forum#post-8938
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Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:20:03 +0000
Benny 8938@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>There's a music theory section over at the Allaboutjazz forum and plenty of harmony gets discussed on the jazzguitar.be forum. Some heavy musicians contributing on both forums. </p>
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Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:12:41 +0000
jorgemg1984 8937@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I still have to find a decent harmony book to tell you the truth.... most stuff I've learned was in real life. It would be interesting to have an online forum dedicated to that, no doubt. But something advanced... </p>
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Thu, 27 Sep 2012 02:02:41 +0000
guitarmageddon 8923@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Harmony is definately where it's at...well..after Rhythm.</p> <p>There is a lot of material out there covering the harmonic implications of the scales you mention.<br /> Mick Goodrick's 'The Advancing Guitarist"is essential reading, and Bret Willmott's "The Complete Book of Harmony, Theory and Voicing" and Don Mock's Melodic Minor, Harmonic Minor and Diminished series I would recommend checking out too. </p>
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Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:00:25 +0000
Basile865 8918@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I wanted to bounce this idea off everyone. I dont know if anyone would be interested, if it already exists, or if this wouldn't be a good place for it - however, I was thinking, wouldn't it be cool to have a forum section that dealt with the study of harmony and categorically broke it down? You could have a section for Major, Minor, Harmonic Minor, Whole Tone, Diminished, etc. areas of study. In each sub-category people could post clips of music highlighting a section in which the artist was really using a great application of whatever that tonality was, really exploring it and patternizing it in interesting ways. There also could be a section in which the poster wouldn't know what tonality group something belonged to and people could help him/her understand it and put it in their ear.</p> <p>I realize theres probably books like this and of course college courses but something online would be more accessible, not to mention they could constantly be updated with new musical fragment links. If something like this does exist please let me know!</p> <p>I've found myself lately pausing movies because the background music has some musical combination that I've never heard before and somehow it strangely works? I guess it would fall under some kind of polyphony. </p> <p>I'm just a guy trying to open his ear but I think this would be so exciting to have a community to go to where we could broaden our resources and command of our instrument. </p>
JorgeRubiales on "Studying in England, is it worth it?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/studying-in-england-is-it-worth-it#post-4424
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Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:23:15 +0000
JorgeRubiales 4424@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey! Not yet, I&#39;m still living in Spain so I can&#39;t help you, but I&#39;m sure people will answer ;) </p>
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Sun, 24 Apr 2011 13:56:53 +0000
artofhereandnow 4422@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey JorgeRubiales,</p> <p>Just recently came across this post (after a long time away from this great forum). Was wondering if you have in fact made the move to England and, if so, how you&#39;ve found the jazz scene there? Thanks! </p>
Floatingbridge on "Recommended Books for Chord Voicings" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/recommended-books-for-chord-voicings#post-4198
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Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:50:47 +0000
Floatingbridge 4198@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>yes , having a sense of drop 2s in the middle 4 strings and their inversions proves to be an invaluable tool ( almost a prerequisite) and there are some qualities(eg:diminished maj 7) that are less familiar to me but yield great sounds. i want to improve in these areas and reading so the layout not having any tabs or graphs and only giving that top note (and making you do the work to know which inversion) i find to be a extremely slick layout,methodology and concept for conveying voiceleading.<br /> just going through the section in the beginning and doing what he suggests as a way to get comfy with those 15 chord types and running them through their inversions is so deep, fundamental and i feel that this is a way to get harmonically warmed up mentally. there is no crutch or graph or shortcut. they are ideas that deal with experiencing the superimposotion and colors with pretty much 1 stipulation-forcing me to think critically about the decision being made, giving me the experience of the distance and color and i have to rely on how well i know the inversions to do it for myself.<br /> oh yeah, in time. no more no metronome or loop of the slowest pulse ever! </p>
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Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:45:15 +0000
jbroad 4193@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>definitely get the brett willmott book but make sure to secure your head with duct tape to keep it from exploding! </p>
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Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:36:12 +0000
natjanoff 4189@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>This is also a great book for comping, very organized!</p> <p> Creative Compoing - Daniel Davis</p> <p><a href="http://www.ejazzlines.com/CREATIVE-COMPING-p20555.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ejazzlines.com/CREATIVE-COMPING-p20555.html</a></p> <p> <a href="http://www.natjanoff.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.natjanoff.com</a> </p>
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Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:50:28 +0000
geetarted 4147@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Scott Henderson&#39;s Jazz guitar Chord System. Different approach and less than 20 pages long. Worth it. </p>
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Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:53:22 +0000
DGP 4143@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Here&#39;s Ted Greene&#39;s stuff online, for free. I saw people suggested the book... didn&#39;t see the website, though. This is my favorite source. <a href="http://www.tedgreene.com/teaching/chords.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.tedgreene.com/teaching/chords.asp</a> </p>
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Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:09:15 +0000
robertjulius666 4059@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.robertconti.com/products/shop#ecwid:category=451831&amp;mode=product&amp;product=1610597" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertconti.com/products/shop#ecwid:category=451831&amp;mode=product&amp;product=1610597</a></p> <p>Robert Conti The Chord Melody Assembly Line </p>
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Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:26:28 +0000
Floatingbridge 4039@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>@ matt: yes, I think it&#39;s quite good. Harmonic mechanisms series is more dense perhaps so much so that it may be hard to retain a lot of it ), yet I really appreciate this methodology . I feel like I have a fairly decent sense of 7th chords and inversions and find that this book will be useful to work through... You are able yo see quite a bit of it in the melbay website.<br /> @andyjazz: yes!!! </p>
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Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:16:09 +0000
andyjazz 4038@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Chuck Wayne &quot;Chords&quot; is very cool too. Ben Monder used it. </p>
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Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:10:01 +0000
Matt 4037@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>yeah. one thing i will do to simply practice chord voicings that helps to get them under my fingers is, on swing tunes mostly, to play &#39;freddie green&#39; style - just quarters. and once i get in good time, i try to move the voicings every measure, two beats, one beat, etc. </p> <p>but the wilmott book is good, eh? i&#39;ve wanted to perhaps check it out. </p>
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Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:48:55 +0000
Floatingbridge 4036@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>after this thread began a week ago or so, i decided to purchase the wilmott book and go through it thoroughly ( i actually never owned it- i worked through sections of it with a teacher back home who helped edit the book ).<br /> it arrived and i&#39;ve been going through it and it is a super great book ( the complete book of harmony voice leading yadayada one).<br /> when working with this book and dealing with the various tensions he lays out i will say ( and perhaps this is very obvious to everyone else ) it feels really good and indispensable to be using a loopstation or some recording play back thing so as to best hear what is being illustrated in the examples.<br /> for a few reasons:<br /> we take a certain 7th type chord ;voiced a certain way so that a particular voice is up top; and this is superimposed over a more basic chord .<br /> the 7th type chord placed at a certain distance gives a certain tension and the inversion&#39;s top voice show the movement as things go from chord to chord.</p> <p>i guess i just feel it keeps things musical because i have to be in time and cannot really go faster than i can voice lead ( the tension chords aren&#39;t tabbed out or even fully written . only the top voice is shown with a chord symbol atop that - your job is to know the inversion since you are relegated to the inner four strings only!!) to lay down a backing track.this gives an opportunity to really hear the intended tension; making it possible to relate to a perhaps familiar chord in a new setting and see what it&#39;s doing and gain access to that ( melodically aswell ). </p> <p>matt, what you say about rhythm is super true.i&#39;m reminded ( once again)how important it is to be working on stuff against something objective marking time.. otherwise i can get caught up in the static aspects of the structure without getting into music , that this thing is moving through time and dealing with my limits with that.<br /> this seems so basic . it&#39;s embarrassing and exciting! </p>
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Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:13:06 +0000
tkosm 3972@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I would also recommend Jazz Guitar Comping by Andrew Green and Mel Bay presents Modern Chords: Advanced Harmony for Guitar by Vic Juris. The second is maybe for later. Of course all the other books the rest of the members suggested. </p>
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Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:08:40 +0000
jimjazz 3969@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I really liked Andrew Green&#39;s &#39;Jazz Guitar Comping&#39;.</p> <p>As the other guys said anything by Goodrick, Damian, Van Eps and Ted Greene. </p> <p>Also, not actually a jazz chord book/method but, I found studying/writing Bach Chorales and trying to relate it to guitar helped a lot. </p>
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Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:17:18 +0000
Matt 3967@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Jon Damian&#39;s palette chart in &#39;the guitarists guide to composing and improvising&#39; is very neat and really helps getting intervallic structures together, or ideas for them.<br /> I also bummed a few voicings from Ben Monder&#39;s compositions book; that being said, a lot of his chords have so much tension, they&#39;re not practically applicable to standards (unless you play them way out).</p> <p>one thing to remember (and not trying to criticize, just reminding!) is that rhythm is ultimately the most important aspect of comping. it has to be rhythmically fresh, in the pocket, and have regards to the soloist. i loses sight of this sometimes, and my comping gets much to busy. </p>
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Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:17:40 +0000
Neither 3966@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I recommend beginning with a piano method : &quot;Jazz Keyboard Harmony : a practical method for all musicians / By Phil Degreg&quot;. You can adapt the chapter 1 (shell voicing : root and 3rd, or root and 7th), chapter 2 (Guides Tones : Root, 3rd and 7th, or Root, 7th, and 3rd), chapter 3 (Four Voice Shell Extensions : same as guides tones adding one note on the top, most of the time the 5th or the 9, altered if needed), chapter 4 (Three Note Rootless Voicings : same as Four Voice Shell Extensions, but rootless), chapter 5 (Five Voice Shell Extentions : same as in chapter 3 adding one more note on the top), chapter 7 (Four Note Open Position Voicings : same as chapter 5, but rootless, with an interesting mention of what is called here voicing inversions, p. 182, with an exemple of how to use it on p. 160, in order to introduce some diversity in your comping), chapter 8 (Fourth voicings : with some adaptations you can use them on guitar). It has been the book I needed when I began, restricting voicing possibilities that I could play on each chord. This book deals with chords that have the Root (if you don&#39;t leave it) and the 3rd and the 7th in the bottom( or the 7th and the 3rd) and eventually some extensions on the top with some rules of leading voicings in the first pages. When you master this concepts, you can focus on rhythm. You&#39;ll find exemples on standards progressions.<br /> If you are more experienced with comping, the best book, for me, is &quot;Mel Bay&#39;s Complete Book of Harmony, theory &amp; voicing / by Bret Willmott&quot;. It deals with Drop 2 voicings for the major part, using root and inversion voicings, on the A, D, G and B strings of the guitar. </p>
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Floatingbridge 3965@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Brett wilmott has a Mel bay book that shows various tensions through extensions and coloring of chords ; starting from relatively clearly stated chords in a progression and harmonic variations thereof. Rather thick book.<br /> Ted greene&#39;s modern chord progressions has great voiceleading examples presented in a rather exhaustive series of treatments of rhythm changes and backcycle-y progressions.<br /> Of course, the harmonic mechanisms series by George van eps .<br /> Mick goodrick ( I haven&#39;t seen his newer books ) his classic the advancing guitarist is so excellent. The section on triads over bass notes and the classification of those structures is a neat way to keep busy.<br /> Jon damian&#39;s chord palette chart in the composing improvising for guitar ( or something) book is super accessible and thorough . </p>
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smoke 3964@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Buy Ted Greene&#39;s Chord Chemistry. You will not need another book on voicings in this lifetime. </p>
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Juan 3962@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m in the need for a great chord voicing book. There are so many I&#39;m not sure which to buy. My teacher recommended me to buy Chord Connections by Robert Brown, but I want to get some other points of view. There are some great experienced guitar players on this forum that I&#39;m sure could point me in the right direction. Any advice would be appreciated. </p>
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andyjazz 3339@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Yeah, there have been some really good players come out of there. Also, Stuart Hall teaches there. </p>
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JorgeRubiales 3338@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Ahhh forget it, someone already informed me that it&#39;s not possible to &quot;resume&quot; when you drop in the middle of the bachelor.</p> <p>Anyway, it seems my only option right now would be Middlesex, which allows for part time studies. Is this a good place, or just a &quot;so-so&quot; school?</p> <p>Thanks again for the answers guys ;) </p>
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JorgeRubiales 3337@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>andyjazz, thanks for pointing that out. I was so crazy diving through huge amounts of websites that I completely misunderstood that. Well, that makes it a lot harder, but not impossible by any means, if I manage to get a long time working and saving.</p> <p>Do you know if it&#39;s possible to study one year, leave the school to save more money, and resume the degree where you left it? That would be awesome, really.</p> <p>Basile, I know the information is there. I myself have been a self-taught for a long time, but I&#39;m interested in &quot;getting some papers&quot;, because I want to make sure that I don&#39;t have problems finding work in the future. I&#39;m 25 now, and if I ever decide to go back to Spain, a degree in an English conservatory would pretty much open me lots of doors here. And as I already have a degree in education, I would be able to ask for a job in conservatoriums mostly around europe, if I have to move. But thanks for your advice!</p> <p>jaso, in case I would be able to move to America, I would go to Berklee or MI, no doubt, but I&#39;m moving with my girlfriend and we must find a place where both of us can live our lives, not the other one&#39;s life, and it seems like that place is England right now ;) </p>
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Basile865 3329@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I went through a similar question of whether or not to study music in a university. I looked into a number of schools including Berklee and the pricing, the curriculum, etc. I talked to a number of people who had gone to various music schools. The commonality among them all was that they had a good time - learned important concepts from the teachers - but most importantly it was the community they were a part of. Being among other people who were striving like you to become the best they could be made it easier to become better in a shorter amount of time. </p> <p>The truth is, all the musical information in the world is available to you for basically &quot;free&quot; through youtube, books, dvd&#39;s, and transcribing CD&#39;s (in my opinion that is). Its harder to maintain discipline but the information is there. The community of higher caliber musicians is harder to find I think, but the way I&#39;m beginning to see it is NOTHING will get you to your destination other then cold hard work - putting the time in on the fretboard transcribing guitars pianos and horns. I think once you can seriously play the doors will hopefully open.</p> <p>All my opinion of course. </p>
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Anonymous 3328@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>COME 2 CANADA! </p>