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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: tension - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: tension - Recent Posts en Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:22:35 +0000 gleepglop_ on "How to make a Semi-Hollow guitar play more easily?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/how-to-make-a-semi-hollow-guitar-play-more-easily#post-14401
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gleepglop_ 14401@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>No, it's not common.<br /> To be honest, it sounds like there is something wrong with the guitar. Semihollow guitars are not normally any more difficult to play than hollowbodies or solidbodies. </p> <p>First thing, it's important to be clear what tension is.<br /> <strong>The angle of the neck does not affect string tension.<br /> </strong><br /> The "break angle" of the string at the bridge and nut can affect "feel" though not the actual tension. This mainly causes the string to feel stiffer close to the bridge/nut (if the angle is high). It's usually a fairly small effect—to the point that I don't think I've every really noticed it. </p> <p>Actual tension is determined by the interaction of three things:<br /> 1) Mass per unit length of the string (roughly, how heavy/dense the string is)<br /> 2) Pitch the string is tuned to<br /> 3) vibrating string length (i.e., scale length).</p> <p>Higher mass = more tension at pitch (assuming pitch and length are held constant)<br /> Higher pitch = more tension (assuming mass and length are held constant)<br /> Longer string length = more tension (assuming pitch and mass are held constant)</p> <p>So, point 1: 12s are totally within normal tension for any standard hollow or semi-hollowbody and should not cause any problems for someone with decent technique. So the increased mass is not likely the problem, though I don't know what you were used to before. Most acoustic guitars have at least 12s on them.<br /> Point 2: I assume you are using standard pitch, so this is not likely the issue<br /> Point 3: I assume that it was built with a standard scale length between 24.75in and 25.5in. A 25.5in scale will feel a bit tense if you are used to 24.75in, but not so much that you'd feel like you're fighting the guitar. This might be a factor but probably not. </p> <p>If you are used to light strings (11s or under) and a short scale, then the 12s and a 25+in scale might be enough to make you a little uncomfortable, but based on your description I don't think the tension really is the problem.</p> <p>It does sound like probably the action is too high. This has nothing to do with tension in itself (an exception is if the tension is so high that it warps the neck, which usually takes months or years, and which really shouldn't happen with normal tuning, normal strings, and proper construction).</p> <p><strong>The truss rod does not adjust the action, only the relief in the neck. If the relief is correct, trying to use the truss rod to adjust the action will cause problems.</strong></p> <p>Based on your description, it sounds like the neck angle is nonstandard. If the angle is too small, this is why you can't lower the bridge any more to lower the action. I have a hollowbody like this (it was actually done intentionally, though), and it required a custom bridge that was lower than a standard bridge. </p> <p>Without any more info, I'd guess that the only solutions would be to reset the neck at a standard angle or to make a custom bridge that was low enough to get decent action with the current angle. </p>
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Fri, 18 Mar 2016 19:49:05 +0000
fakejake 14400@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Could you post a picture of the guitar? This might help finding the reason for the high string tension. </p>
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Thu, 17 Mar 2016 23:56:30 +0000
Din 14394@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello!</p> <p>I got a new semihollow guitar in november, made by a guitar maker friend.<br /> The guitar looks stunning and sounds very nice, but I'm having a difficult time playing it because of how much tension the strings have.<br /> I have very good technique and with any other guitar I can play whatever I want, but with this one i'm very limited.<br /> My friend told me that the guitar has a lot of tension on the strings because I'm using 0.12 and because of the angle in which the neck is joined to the body (which I think it's common).<br /> I didn't thought this could happen when we were designing the guitar, I thought it would be able to be played like butter.<br /> I never played a semihollow before, just 3 hollowbodies and their playing was super easy, even more easy than on solidbodies.</p> <p>The action can't be lowered anymore on the bridge, maybe just a little from the neck truss rod.</p> <p>What could be happening and what can I do to fix this situation? Is it common to have a SH that isn't easy to play?</p> <p>Thanks! </p>
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Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:18:05 +0000
JorgeRubiales 4944@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Well, archtops are ergonomic up to a certain point. The thing is that they&#39;re not too much ergonomic when standing. You have to tilt the headstock maybe a little more than you would with a solidbody. But for me, the right hand position in an archtop is the most ergonomic in any electric guitar. </p>
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Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:27:09 +0000
david6strings 4935@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>it seems to me that archtops are not ergonomic and for that reason i can&#39;t find a right way to hold the guitar, with the strat used to be better because of the body shape. about clasical guitar you can get all the information you want about how to hold our guitar properly (Abel Carlevaro book f.e. but not a word with these kind of guitars 335, l5, byrdland etc, if an instrument change its shape and dimensions you get another different one, don&#39;t you? </p>
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Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:28:44 +0000
Matt 4934@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>well i might be jumping to conclusions but we&#39;ll see.... </p>
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Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:19:13 +0000
JorgeRubiales 4932@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thicker picks require more force to glide over the strings, so it&#39;s perfectly normal Matt. But have you played a .014 archtop guitar with a jazzIII? Not a pleasant jaz tone, at least for me.</p> <p>But in a solidbody, with thinner strings, you can make it work. I used to use the jazz when I played solidbodies, mostly prog-rock and heavy metal (dream theater and all that), and was the pick I felt most comfortable with.</p> <p>Glad to hear all problems are away ^_^ If everything was as easy as a pick change... </p>
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Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:55:53 +0000
Matt 4931@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>yeah i play a solid body (alwayswill!), so there&#39;s that.<br /> an interesting thing is that i switched back from dunlop 207s, which i&#39;ve been practicing with for 2 weeks or so, to jazz iiis, did some strumming exercises, and almost all the tension went away! talk about a miracle. </p>
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Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:55:52 +0000
JorgeRubiales 4929@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Well, it depends. If you use a full hollow body I don&#39;t recommend you to copy the picking from guys that play solid bodies. The arm is in a completely different position. </p>
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Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:50:01 +0000
Matt 4927@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>the forearm has to turn slightly towards the body of the guitar to make the wrist as perpendicular to the guitar.<br /> i&#39;ve been looking at how paul gilbert and other &#39;shredders&#39; pick so i&#39;ll check those styles out. </p>
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Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:06:56 +0000
JorgeRubiales 4924@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You mean that you angle the pick from the arm, or something?</p> <p>Try balancing the guitar in a different way. Nowadays I&#39;m playing almost with the same angle as Joe Pass (great for vocing drop2 all over the neck, especially first inversion. Those are b&amp;%h to play...). Might end up playing a cello...lol </p>
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Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:00:48 +0000
Matt 4922@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i&#39;ve discovered that the tension probably stems from the way i attack the strings. i try to keep a very parallel attack, meaning the pick is perpendicular to the plane the strings are on, and i have to slightly turn my arm up. i&#39;ll fiddle with holding the pick differently... </p>
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Sat, 07 May 2011 16:34:30 +0000
david6strings 4541@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://cid-2eead9b260c7abc5.photos.live.com/self.aspx/varios/stretches.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://cid-2eead9b260c7abc5.photos.live.com/self.aspx/varios/stretches.jpg</a></p> <p>the exercises circled </p>
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Sat, 07 May 2011 13:25:54 +0000
Floatingbridge 4540@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>he may be referring to &#39;effortless mastery&#39; by kenny werner. </p>
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Sat, 07 May 2011 08:13:18 +0000
david6strings 4539@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>hey jorge, what werner, kenny werner? can you tell me what is called that book? thanks a lot, by the way, awesome performance yesterday in madrid with aaron parks and two guys i&#39;ve never heard of them, i think the drummer called Justin plays with bradford marsalis, the masterclass was good too, Kurt told me &quot;THE BOOK&quot; is at 70 per cent finished hehehe.<br /> i&#39;m dealing with the tension problem too, so im gonna post my stretching exercises for you to check them, it takes me 10 min before play </p>
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Tue, 03 May 2011 21:59:55 +0000
Matt 4505@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>You guys are right. i think i just need to use more patience and go slower. really work at it. sometimes i expect results too quickly! </p>
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Tue, 03 May 2011 21:19:21 +0000
jorgemg1984 4503@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>How much legato do you use on the left hand? The more you use it the less you depend on your right hand. </p>
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Tue, 03 May 2011 18:29:26 +0000
JorgeRubiales 4498@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Well Matt, I think to get past this point you should borrow a webcam and record yourself playing a little bit, so we can see what&#39;s really going on. Nonetheless, here are some thoughts in no particular order:</p> <p>- Werner&#39;s book is a nice companion for tense players.</p> <p>- It&#39;s not mandatory to play guitar with a pick. It helps with speedy single note lines though.</p> <p>- Music should be a joy. </p> <p>- We can&#39;t be creative when we aren&#39;t in a good mental shape. We can&#39;t play effectively when we aren&#39;t in a good body shape.</p> <p>- Coordination exercises are always good. Have you tried picking upwards only?</p> <p>- Dynamics are made by the plucking hand. Work on those on isolation.</p> <p>- Patience is the mother of science.</p> <p>- Use the force (ok, I should really hit &quot;send post&quot; now...) </p>
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Tue, 03 May 2011 03:49:29 +0000
jimjazz 4486@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi Matt,</p> <p>I did my first gig in 2 months last Friday. I&#39;d picked up a weird nerve injury called &#39;adverse mechanical tension&#39;, which is just what it says on the box. Bad posture caused excess tension in my upper body snagging the nerve and badly affected my left arm and hand. </p> <p>Besides undergoing physiotherapy I&#39;ve started studying &#39;Alexander Technique&#39; and after last Fridays gig I am utterly convinced of its effectiveness in reducing tension throughout my entire body and improving my performance focus. After the gig my left hand didn&#39;t hurt at all, where as normally it does, and my playing on the gig was surprisingly good (even if I do say so myself) considering my practice time has been greatly reduced in the last 2 months. </p> <p>I wouldn&#39;t say I was a sceptic of AT, as I had always thought of at least checking it out, but my recent problem forced me to seek answers and I just wish I&#39;d sought it out earlier. I can&#39;t recommend it enough.</p> <p>On the subject of guitar technique I always found string skipping exercises helped me sort out my right hand. </p>
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Mon, 02 May 2011 19:36:07 +0000
Matt 4481@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i can hardly even play sixteenths at 80bpm without getting tense. this is extremely discouraging. </p>
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Mon, 02 May 2011 18:44:40 +0000
Matt 4478@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i dont think i&#39;ve gotten any better with it really.... i feel like i have no control over dynamics, accents, and just overall playing without my tension now. i am extremely frustrated and considering just giving using a pick, as i only use one for single-note lines. i use my fingers for just about everything else, and feel i get out better ideas and am more conscious of articulation with my fingers.</p> <p>why is a damn pick so hard to use!? </p>
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Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:04:15 +0000
silverwater 4469@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m in the same &quot;club&quot;. Lots of great tips and advice has been posted already...and I&#39;ll agree with others who have said that focusing on relaxing and breathing as an exercise is important. </p> <p>If you can focus on relaxing your body from your face down to your hands while playing something simple and repetitive, it can help to train your body to be relaxed while the guitar is in your hands. The body gets so used to being in a certain state while the instrument is in your hands, it&#39;s hard to unlearn that habit. </p> <p>Also, one thing that hasn&#39;t been mentioned yet is practicing playing really slow. I&#39;ve been practicing playing whole notes and half notes, and simple melodies with. Playing these kinds of melodies with near-perfect time is a lot harder than one would think (at least for me anyways), and it really gets you back to focusing on the technique you&#39;re using to play just one note, as opposed to a series of notes. </p>
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Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:47:46 +0000
Matt 4468@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>yes i usually stretch but sometimes i do get in a pretty frustrated mindset, which is never good!</p> <p>my new theory is that i&#39;ve just never focused on getting rid of tension (seven and a half years to figure out i need to!). so this morning i worked on a classical piece for an hour and then did some strumming and scale studies and i noticed a huge improvement in relaxation. my technique wasn&#39;t as fast and sometimes i feel like i dont have quite the control i maybe did, but i think this is a result of lack of tension. </p>
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Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:01:43 +0000
artofhereandnow 4467@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey Matt, may be a bit of an odd question but what sort of mindset are you in when you begin practicing? For me (as many many others have pointed out) so much of what we do is mental preparation, and that translates into the physical. Have you checked out Kenny Werner&#39;s &quot;Effortless Mastery&quot; at all? That had a big impact on me when I was in school and helped with a lot of the same issues (and many others!). A lot of professional musicians I know use meditation techniques (before/during practice), practice yoga, etc. and that all comes to the practice room. Which then comes to the gig!</p> <p>Hope that helps. </p>
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Sat, 30 Apr 2011 04:33:25 +0000
cdub 4466@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi Matt,<br /> I&#39;ve had a few muscle problems before and I know how how frustrating it can be trying to lift your playing to the level you want it.</p> <p>Here are a few tips:</p> <p>Breath. As Evan M points out this is super important. If you sing your phrases as (or before) you play them you will notice a big difference.</p> <p>Do more non-playing practice - singing, rhythm work, composition.</p> <p>Practice less and perform more. Practice tends to be very narrowly focussed. I really think that the brain and body work much differently in performance situations.</p> <p>Speed bursts are great. (I&#39;m sure the earlier posting simply had a typo)</p> <p>Sort out your posture. Go on, you know you need to!</p> <p>Check out other picking styles. One word (I think it is one word): Youtube</p> <p>Spend some time with gypsy picking. Check out birelli lagrene and stochelo rosenberg.</p> <p>Think about downstrokes. A lot. And the way they move in towards the face of the guitar, and how this increases the bass frequencies in each note. </p> <p>Invent a way of playing beautifully that suits your fingers. Not everyone can be Usain Bolt or Steve Vai or (insert appropriate name here)</p> <p>Good Luck! </p>
EvanM on "right arm tension" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/right-arm-tension#post-4455
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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:30:23 +0000
EvanM 4455@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>This may be a dumb response, but are you sure you&#39;re breathing properly?<br /> Most of my injuries occurred because I was holding my breath or breathing very shallowly, and the resulting tension gave me an inflamed rotator cuff in my left shoulder. Hope things improve! </p>
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 05:07:26 +0000
JorgeRubiales 4436@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hold on a little with that. Changing your posture always introduces some unwanted tension somewhere. You should notice a gradual release of tension in the next weeks. If not, then check out what&#39;s happening. </p>
Matt on "right arm tension" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/right-arm-tension#post-4421
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Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:24:10 +0000
Matt 4421@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>alright i dunno how to attack this. my arm isn&#39;t tense anymore but now the top of my forearm gets tense...my picking isn&#39;t sloppy though. my wrist doesn&#39;t get tense either, so i suppose i&#39;ve made some progress. i have to isolate that area now...</p> <p>also, having never before been a strummer, my strumming has gotten better. </p>
Matt on "right arm tension" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/right-arm-tension#post-4241
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Sun, 03 Apr 2011 12:02:09 +0000
Matt 4241@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>so far, it seems to have gotten better...a little bit. </p>
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Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:26:53 +0000
JorgeRubiales 4204@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>With the archtop there&#39;s a little bit. The problem with the solidbody I think is also that there&#39;s a sideways movement </p>