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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: theory - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: theory - Recent Posts en Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:01:51 +0000 piggyfly0000 on "Evolution of ii - V - I" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/evolution-of-ii-v-i#post-10725
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Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:30:38 +0000
piggyfly0000 10725@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I just realized something. Once again, I approached music the wrong way. I just finished reading an article on Brad Mehldau's website. In one of his articles he writes, "When a jazz musician blows an uninspired solo, he or she dies right in front of us – and we die with them, of boredom. When a jazz musician blows a great solo though, he or she avoids dying a creative death in real time, right in front of us, for all to see. It is a victory and it’s a thrill – it’s the jazz Sublime." My dissatisfaction comes from a lack of inspiration. Basically, I think I'm not getting out of any of these exercises because I am not inspired as of now. I now understand your satisfaction with your sound is NOT a product of all of the exercises you have done. I think I will only feel good about my playing when I play something out of true inspiration.... right???? hahah </p>
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Sandemose 10724@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I like working with intervals, like for instanse, sixts and make my way through a song being consistant in playing only sixts. Like in Autumn Leaves, you might play Bb-G (Cm), B-Ab (F7), C-A (Bbmaj), D-Bb (Ebmaj). Then I pick another interwal, now I work quite much with 4ths. I like the stuff Kurt talks about in the Gdansk clinic. Work hard with the basics. Learning stuff so you can play it by heart.</p> <p>Off topic: I realized that I memorize tunes better when I first play through it a couple of times, making a simple bass note/chord arrangement (if possible) of the tune (Alice in wonderland is the latest), and then I transpose it a major 3rd up or down, trying to play the song just by ear, using different sting sets and chord stuctures. It gets much better internalized. I realized this when I played with this great singer, and she wanted to play a song a major 3rd down. The song totally opened after a few turns.</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:44:14 +0000
piggyfly0000 10722@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I completely agree that learning jazz is very circular. I actually decided to work on my triplet feel today haha. </p>
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Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:28:56 +0000
fakejake 10721@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I started out pretty much the same way as you described, practicing arpeggios and targeting guide tones. Learning a couple of lines also helps a great deal. Recently I started to work on triad pairs which instantly give you a more modern sound when playing over 251s.<br /> As with anything in learning an instrument, it's a circular process. I guess you'll always come back to practicing arpeggios and outlining the changes, and each time you grasp more of the underlying concepts and language.<br /> I'm far from being a good or accomplished player, still I play way better than I ever thought I would when I first started out listening to and playing Jazz, so I guess there is hope.... </p>
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Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:42:03 +0000
piggyfly0000 10720@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi all, </p> <p>I'm a few years into playing jazz, and I wanted to hear your <em>personal</em> thoughts on ii - V's. When I started playing, a teacher suggested I should outline the changes of a standard and connect the last note of an arpeggio with another note &lt; a whole step of the next arpeggio. This exercise was great in the beginning but limited my playing in the end. Then I started thinking about tension and release while I paid attention to the rhythm and feel of the music. I tried not to think too much about the "theory" behind my lines. This approach was liberating in a sense, but I still outlined the chords and incorporated some passing notes to phrase my lines. Then, someone suggested I should sing what I would play before I placed my hand on an instrument. I suck at singing, so it helped a little bit. I'm still dissatisfied and need some advice. Can you guys tell me how you started off thinking about ii-Vs, and how you approach them now? </p>
patfarlow on "When is Kurt going to release, a dvd lesson or a book??" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/when-is-kurt-going-to-release-a-dvd-lesson-or-a-book#post-9660
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Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:02:38 +0000
patfarlow 9660@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I was referring to the material Kurt has written so far, not the fictional book. He said he was about 70% done I believe. </p>
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Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:23:06 +0000
guitar1025 9628@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The picture above is not real (it even says so on the website). I got really excited when I saw it but I found out it wasn't real when I followed the link. </p>
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Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:14:05 +0000
patfarlow 9623@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>it would be cool to see see one page preview :) </p>
madsrh on "When is Kurt going to release, a dvd lesson or a book??" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/when-is-kurt-going-to-release-a-dvd-lesson-or-a-book#post-9619
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Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:41:31 +0000
madsrh 9619@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>It's a good idea, but I don't think that's the issue here. I think it would feels very unsatisfactory to ship a product that is only 3/4 done. Don't get me wrong, I would gladly donate to a Rosenwinkel kickstarter project. There's also a certain pride involved with the release of something that has your name on it.<br /> Based on what I know about Kurt, I am quite convinced that this book, when it's 100% completed, will be as important for guitarists as Mark Levine Jazz Piano book is to many piano players. </p>
contremisart on "When is Kurt going to release, a dvd lesson or a book??" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/when-is-kurt-going-to-release-a-dvd-lesson-or-a-book#post-9618
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Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:06:33 +0000
contremisart 9618@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Forgive me for recommending this, if it will come out inappropriate.</p> <p>But what do you think of the idea of converting this book process to something like a kickstarter project? I mean if the finance is an issue shouldn't the guitar nerds all around the world give a push to this book? Or maybe something like artist share too, we give our support and in return maybe have a glimpse of what Kurt has already done for the book. Am I fantasizing ? </p>
patfarlow on "When is Kurt going to release, a dvd lesson or a book??" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/when-is-kurt-going-to-release-a-dvd-lesson-or-a-book#post-9613
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Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:30:36 +0000
patfarlow 9613@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i like! </p>
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Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:45:32 +0000
madsrh 9607@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I'm <u>really</u> looking forward to this book myself! I've written <a href="http://themusicofkurtrosenwinkel.blogspot.com/2012/10/kurt-rosenwinkel-guitar-method-book.html">a post about it on my site</a>, so if anyone has any updated information - please let me know!</p> <p><img style="width: 750px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-11Tnkfhhl5A/UITynGxTH7I/AAAAAAAABH8/oaMpFUckr9E/s1600/rosenwinkel_book.jpg"></p> <p><em>//MadsRH</em><br /> <a href="http://themusicofkurtrosenwinkel.blogspot.com/">http://themusicofkurtrosenwinkel.blogspot.com</a> </p>
Bob McBobbington on "When is Kurt going to release, a dvd lesson or a book??" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/when-is-kurt-going-to-release-a-dvd-lesson-or-a-book#post-7956
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Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:19:27 +0000
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Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:00:00 +0000
jazznan 7954@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I can't wait for this either...like all of us, we're one pins and needles for it...but Kurt's a busy guy, so I understand the delay and probably his desire to release something of high quality. But he has an eager audience for music and a book, just sayin' :) </p>
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Fri, 29 Jun 2012 18:57:24 +0000
patfarlow 7952@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>im predicting a vague answer. followed by folks angry with my answer. </p>
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Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:00:31 +0000
JPMike 7951@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The title says it all, I really want to see one of these getting released. Even if it's about technique, theory, harmony, etc.</p> <p>Maybe Kurt can give us some light about this. </p>
Floatingbridge on "Planing A Minor Pentatonic Upon the Wholetone Scale" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/planing-a-monir-pentatonic-upon-the-wholetone-scale/page/2#post-1483
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Floatingbridge 1483@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>This is not totally related and also may seem very basic.<br /> In doing the original excercise, when hanging out in various positions for a while we really start getting the various shapes and sounds and transitions in us. I started taking a motif ( just some short idea) and in this case ( we can percieve the harmony as ascending : G-,A-,B-,Db-,Eb-,F-) instead of taking the idea &quot;uphill&quot; , going &quot;downhill &quot; with it. Maybe not starting on the exact same tonal point as for the first chord&#39;s tonal point or even an exact transposition necessarily - but following the contour of the idea and dealing with where I&#39;ve placed myself as the chords change while keeping the idea&#39;s momentum and shape; again, going in the opposite &quot; direction&quot; of the harmony&#39;s &quot;direction&quot;. </p>
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Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:23:41 +0000
geetarted 1465@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Nice ideas here. I like to stack minor pents in 5th&#39;s. Over Cmaj i could start with a concept in Bmin then F#min, the take the exercise down a maj 3rd to Dmin the Amin. Good fun over just Cmaj. </p>
Floatingbridge on "Planing A Minor Pentatonic Upon the Wholetone Scale" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/planing-a-monir-pentatonic-upon-the-wholetone-scale/page/2#post-1458
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Floatingbridge 1458@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>thank you for posting such an invigorating exercise. i have felt stuck and had been on youtube checking out many players that have a certain way of moving things around and what feels like flowing through and generating structures and rubic&#39;s cubing them around and had been in awe of : rosenwinkel ,tim miller,nir felder or say gary versace&#39;s keyboard solos. this technique has opened things up for me a bit.<br /> i just started with this and think its great . i also did something which adds a step to the process and you might find neat.since i just started i am practicing very slow and then am basically doing 2 chords per bar and soloing with sixteenth notes. then i started to play maj7 ideas a 1/2 step higher than the min 7 chord ( for one beat) eg: over the progression with each chord lasting for 2 beats {gmn7 Amn7}{Bmn7 Dbmn7} {Ebmn7Fmn7}play:{Abmaj7 Gmn7 Bbmaj7 Amn7}{Cmaj7 Bmn7 Dmaj7 C#mn7} etc, 1beat each. clearly you coud use other types of chord other distances away from target chord . </p>
Alvin on "Excersizes" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/excersizes#post-371
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Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:47:24 +0000
Alvin 371@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey, guys!<br /> Thank you very much for the excersize-ideas!<br /> A simple but effective purely technical leap excersize:</p> <p>First choose a position to play in. For example in III your first finger is on the third fret, second finger on the fourth, third on the fifth and fourth on the sixth.</p> <p>Start playing the notes on sixth and fifth string: G - D - G# - D# - A - C - A# - C#<br /> Then move to sixth and fourth string: G - G (IVth) - G# - G#(IVth) - A - F - A# - F#<br /> Keep applying the same pattern on sixth and third; sixth and second; sixth and first string pairs.</p> <p>So the fingers never leave their positions and the chromatical note pattern on the low E string stays the same.</p> <p>From here on it&#39;s advisable to use your immagination to reverse, mirror, reverse mirror it, etc. Also to pick starting with an upstroke.</p> <p>It&#39;s one of those fun excersizes, which will slowly crawl into your everyday playing. Not the excersizse itself but the effects of it :)</p> <p>Take care<br /> Alvin </p>
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animitta 361@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello,<br /> i have just uploaded a youtube video about the second part of Kurt Rosenwinkel&#39;s italian clinics on pentatonic.</p> <p>You can find the video here:<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9h5Z7w3HwQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9h5Z7w3HwQ</a></p> <p>Here you can find the transcription:<br /> <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/22272340/rosenwinkel-s-pentatonic-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/22272340/rosenwinkel-s-pentatonic-2</a></p> <p>All the Best<br /> Animitta </p>
denjz on "Excersizes" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/excersizes#post-351
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Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:08:06 +0000
denjz 351@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Sandemose , thanks for the great exercize . Just tried the 5/4 thing today with some 4 note patterns and and it works really well. Gonna try it tomorrow with 5 and 6 note patterns...I suspect I&#39;ll have to write down the whole thing first...we&#39;ll see what happens :) </p>
Colonel Trane on "Excersizes" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/excersizes#post-350
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Colonel Trane 350@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I get what your saying and the point of singing what you play but what it&#39;s sort of hard for me to transfer it to guitar I don&#39;t really know how to explain it. I&#39;m for sure going to try a lot of the stuff in this thread though. Including the singing. </p>
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trim 349@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>From my perspective, singing and playing doesn&#39;t require a good range or even a nice voice. The idea is more organic. I use it to try to connect the inner voice of my musical mind with execution on the guitar. </p> <p>For example, I will try singing a line and then playing it on the guitar by ear right after singing it. This is a nice way to force myself to think beyond just theory and execution in my practicing and really try to hear melodic ideas over changes. I am consistently surprised at how much musical information is stored in my subconscious that is just waiting to get out. </p> <p>Other things I like to do in this vein are to practice hearing alterations on dominant chords by playing a tritone and singing the extension (b9, #9, #11, etc) above it. Or, practicing inverted chord voicings and attempting to sing the bass root note. Both of these can get pretty tricky but also keep me thinking on organicism within the music. </p> <p>One book that I have learned a lot from in regards to phrasing is a book by my old teacher Dale Bruning. The book is appropriately titled &quot;Phrasing and Articulation&quot; and is on Amazon. He deals a lot with how to articulate like a horn player on the guitar and is very thorough in his approach. </p>
Sandemose on "Excersizes" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/excersizes#post-348
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Sandemose 348@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>DLighto1: I think that was a really great excercise. Thank you so much for sharing.</p> <p>This is my timing excercise I´ve been working on for a while. Its for getting comfortable with odd time signatures, in this case 5(4/816) and 7(4/8/16) but I only show the principles with for it with 5/4.</p> <p>Time signature 5/4:</p> <p>Take four notes of the pentatonic scale, preferable two notes per string. Think five 16th notes, but instead of five sepperate notes, make the first and the second into a 8th note. So, the formula is: 8th, 16th, 16th, 16th = 5/16. Play this two times for a 5/8 or four times for a 5/4. </p> <p>1. Set the metronome on quarter note pulse and play the sequence four times, always keeping track off the 8th note. Thats the reference point and falls on the first beat when played four times. </p> <p>2. The next step is to move the 8th note to the remaining position in the sequence:</p> <p>16th, 8th, 16th, 16th * 16th, 16th, 8th, 16th * 16th, 16th, 16th, 8th * (play four times each to fullfill the 5/4 sequence)</p> <p>Keep the tonal material in the sequence concistant to create a &quot;safe spot&quot;. Like A,G,E,D, A,G,E,D, A,G,E,D (etc).</p> <p>3. The next step (sorry for the cheesy quote...jeez) is to move the 8th notes four times within one 5/4 bar:</p> <p>8th, 16th, 16th, 16th * 16th, 8th, 16th, 16th * 16th, 16th, 8th, 16th * 16th, 16th, 16th, 8th * (within 5/4)</p> <p>4. Start over with nr.1 but now improvise freely within the pentatonic scale or other scale, always keeping track of the 8th note. Then move to nr.2, nr.3, still improvising. </p> <p>5. The last step is to add a second 8th note which gives this formula: 16th, 8th, 8th. Do the same procedure as above but now move the 16th around: 16th, 8th, 8th * 8th, 16th, 8th * 8th, 8th, 16th *</p> <p>Same (long!) procedure with the 7/4 excercise, but on the 5th step there will be three 8th notes and one 16th note. </p> <p>Good luck, and build those timing chops! :)</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:01:47 +0000
Colonel Trane 347@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>111 Singing and playing is hard for me. I have a very limited range. </p>
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Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:46:59 +0000
Anonymous 346@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I have been using an interesting exercise recently to work on melodic minor applications. I didn&#39;t learn this from Kurt, but some of you might find it helpful nonetheless. Practice using a root position melodic minor scale over every chord in a given tune, this way you can use your one fingering of melodic minor to play over a (I) minormaj7 sound, a (II) susb9 sound, a (III) maj7#5 sound, a (IV) 7#11 sound, a (rarely used) (V) 7b6 sound, a (VI) halfdiminished natural 9 sound, and finally a (VII) altered sound. It is helpful for the following reasons. It helps you to : a) see the relative or &quot;home key&quot; of a chord that falls within melodic minor harmony, b) see the interesting harmonic motion of a tune, which sometimes goes unnoticed if applying more run of the mill harmony; c) make your own patterns out of the symmetry of these shapes. </p> <p>For application, take for instance, Stella by Starlight.</p> <p>For Em7b5 (natural 9) play G melodic minor; for A altered play Bb melodic minor; for C-maj7 play C melodic minor; for F7#11 play C melodic minor; for F-maj7 play F melodic minor; for Bb altered, play B melodic minor; for Emaj7#5 play C melodic minor; for Ab7#11 play Eb melodic minor; for Bbmaj7#5 play G melodic minor; for Em7b5 (natural 9) play G melodic minor, for A altered play Bb melodic minor; for D-maj7 play D melodic minor; for Bb-maj7 play Bb melodic minor; for Fmaj7#5 play D melodic minor; Em7b5 (nat9) play G melodic minor, for A altered play Bb melodic minor; for Am7b5 (nat9) play C melodic minor; for D altered, play Eb melodic minor; for G altered play Ab melodic minor...and so on until you finish the tune. I&#39;m sure you guys all get it by now. </p> <p>When you&#39;re done with that one fingering, pick another one and do it until you&#39;ve done a different fingering for every mode of the melodic minor with the root on the 6th string and the 5th string. By the time you&#39;re done with this, you will know the neck. </p>
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111 344@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>sing and play at the same time:) </p>
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Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:26:29 +0000
Colonel Trane 343@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;ve done that one before too but probably not as much as I should. Particularly with altered scales. Anyone know anything good for phrasing? </p>
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Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:56:53 +0000
riverstooge 338@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>There&#39;s the one Kurt mentioned a few times (once in that new clinic they posted on youtube for like 2 days then ripped it off!!) Where you play through the circle of 5ths starting with the lowest note on the guitar in Cmaj...So start on open E and use, for example, 4 notes on each string moving thru C major all the way to the highest note on your guitar containing notes in a C scale then back down. Then move to F and do the same thing and cycle through the circle of 5ths. Hope this helps. Good thread btw. </p>