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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: time - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: time - Recent Posts en Fri, 29 Jul 2016 05:54:58 +0000 thelonious77 on "Practicing time feel" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/practicing-time-feel#post-13823
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Fri, 12 Dec 2014 22:46:23 +0000
thelonious77 13823@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey, </p> <p>One of the best thing to improve one's time perception would be to play the drums ( pretty obvious). Playing the drums is about coordination and independence which is exactly the same thing as playing rhythms on a guitar.<br /> i mean the better is you independence the better the time feel would be (obvious again) </p> <p>Short of playing drums it' s possible to practice rhythms and time feel by clapping rhythms and singing melodies.<br /> I have been practicing this way for about 4 years now and I'm telling you it has been the most efficient practice I've done since I started playing about 15 years ago... </p> <p>I started by clapping this : in 4/4 time -(1)23(4) . then 1(+)(2)+(3)(+)4 then combining both to get the classic 2/3 clave. Singing any standard tune over it making sure everything was in focus and at a very slow tempo ( i.e 40 pbm)</p> <p>Then i moved to other rhythms more and more complex : for ex clapping the dotted quarter or dotted half and singing more involved melodies ( i.e Evidence, straight no chaser...)</p> <p>Then moved to subdivisions like clapping groups of triplets still sing tunes then poly-rhythms...</p> <p>This is all pretty obvious and simple but it helped me a great deal to understand that the guitar was sometimes in the way of improving my sense of grove and talking the drummer talk. </p> <p>Hope this is helpful. </p> <p>Best. </p> <p>T </p>
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Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:33:05 +0000
fabguitare 11460@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi guys,</p> <p>thank you for your kind comments !<br /> Thank you, Lacroix ! Don't hesitate to share those videos, if you liked it !</p> <p>See you soon,</p> <p>F@b </p>
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Wed, 05 Jun 2013 22:16:02 +0000
skiadikt 11375@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>fantastic. great you did a play-along for us mortals. thanks. </p>
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Wed, 05 Jun 2013 03:35:14 +0000
lacroix 11371@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Wow Fabien!</p> <p>nice job and thanks for sharing the transcription.<br /> Besides I really like your other youtube videos, like Zhivago and Sirabhorn.<br /> They are really amazing! </p>
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Mon, 03 Jun 2013 18:15:59 +0000
fabguitare 11368@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi guys,</p> <p>I transcribed Jonathan Kreisberg's version of "Just In Time", and made a video ! I just wanted to share it with you, and have your comments :)</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD2r1rcNfv0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD2r1rcNfv0</a></p> <p>Cheers!</p> <p>F@bien </p>
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Mon, 03 Sep 2012 02:40:01 +0000
Pascau 8426@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Awesome! Many thanks :) </p>
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Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:43:24 +0000
filters 8385@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>thanks a lot Kurt ! </p>
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Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:05:13 +0000
denjz 8384@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks Kurt! Haha, although there were some mistakes, still - my version wasn't too far out! :-) </p>
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Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:33:00 +0000
add4 8383@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for sharing! </p>
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Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:22:24 +0000
sza 8382@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for sharing, kurt! </p>
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Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:09:43 +0000
kurtisrosenwinkel 8381@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>its my handwriting yes </p>
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Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:39:56 +0000
fakejake 8375@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Is that your handwriting Kurt? It's interesting, the G's and C's in the title look different from those in the chart.... </p>
kurtisrosenwinkel on "Christmas Song Rhythms" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/christmas-song-rhythms#post-8374
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Sun, 26 Aug 2012 06:07:19 +0000
kurtisrosenwinkel 8374@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0nbLtfXdqIza0ZlY1RQeXhrZ3M/edit" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0nbLtfXdqIza0ZlY1RQeXhrZ3M/edit</a></p> <p>the head is played rubato over "fast" drums, like lonely woman. </p> <p>cheers,<br /> Kurt </p>
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Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:09:57 +0000
denjz 8338@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Finally decided to make a lead sheet of this song.I think that the melody should be played freely over the drums kind of like Ornette's "Lonely Woman".</p> <p>So, here's what I came up with:</p> <p><a href="https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0Z7OTj34DZsenBwa2ZEeDNyUXM" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0Z7OTj34DZsenBwa2ZEeDNyUXM</a> </p>
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Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:11:43 +0000
mikelorenz 5758@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Absolutely get their permission...that's why I kind of left my request open ended. Thanks so much for the teaser! </p>
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Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:57:29 +0000
Lasse S 5756@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I'd have to ask Anders and Kurt for permission, before i share the whole concert. But here's a little teaser (hope it's ok A and K) - a new Kurt-composition called Kyra Wolf .. breathtakingly beautiful song! </p> <p>Here's the link:<br /> <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3542425/06%20-%20Kyra%20Wolf.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3542425/06%20-%20Kyra%20Wolf.mp3</a> </p>
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Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:55:27 +0000
mikelorenz 5753@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>is the village vanguard recording something that could be shared? i'd love to hear this band! andrew d'angelo is one of my absolute favorites. </p>
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Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:38:43 +0000
Lasse S 5742@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I have a recording of this band from Village Vanguard! Killin' band .. new and old tunes from Kurt, also some standards + originals from Andrew D'angelo, Jim Black etc.. Their three shows here in Denmrak are cancelled due to water damage in Copenhagen Jazzhouse.. damn! You should really look forward, and Kurt's playing the piano in some songs. </p>
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Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:40:39 +0000
jazznan 5740@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Awesome. Right up a detailed review please </p>
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Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:01:29 +0000
Sandemose 5738@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Man, I wish I had a time machine right now to make the week go faster. Im seeing Kurt with Time Machine this friday in Uppsala (Sweden). You who have heard the band, what can one expect? To bad Im going by myself, but at a jazz concert I guess you never is alone?</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:35:30 +0000
jorgemg1984 5344@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Yep. half-time feel is essential for fast tunes! Even on medium tunes is helpful as long as you keep your 8th notes swinging. </p>
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Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:29:57 +0000
silverwater 5343@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>@Sandemouse: Lately I&#39;ve been playing with people that like super fast tempos...tempos where if you&#39;re up there tapping your foot on every down beat you&#39;re going to look an epileptic (no offense to epileptics of course). So here&#39;s what I&#39;ve been doing.</p> <p>With up tempos, if you need to tap your foot to keep your place, the only way to go is: </p> <p> - Tap on the 1 in 3/4, </p> <p>- and tap on the 1 and 3 in 4/4. </p> <p>Maybe you already do this, if so then well maybe someone else can benefit from that tidbit.<br /> The less you&#39;re tapping your foot at a breakneck tempo the more relaxed your body will be, and the more relaxed you&#39;ll be at playing at that tempo. </p> <p>In the case of an up 4/4, I actually count and read in 2/2, treating eight notes like 16 notes. </p> <p>Playing eight notes at 250 bpm!! OMG panic time! (Shit my right hand is tensing up, damn it there&#39;s no swing!) etc...</p> <p>Playing 16th notes at 125 bpm: A much more relaxing proposal. </p> <p>And with 3/4, If you tap your foot on the one only you shouldn&#39;t have a problem getting lost. It&#39;s almost like you&#39;re playing in 12/8 at that point too. </p>
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Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:37:17 +0000
Barry Mando 5339@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>A while back I was trying to come up with different patterns that equal 16 and my fav by far was 2 5&#39;s and a six as 16ths. I was doing it linearly as well as intervallically. A ton of fun! </p>
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Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:33:51 +0000
Matt 5337@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>one thing that surprises me still is how difficult it is to simply keep good time when the quarter note equals 60, or something pretty slow. warne marsch&#39;s slow improvisation is something that for me is pretty difficult to maintain good time and feel. </p> <p>also, ben monder&#39;s exercise of playing scales at 5bpm, or any ridiculously slow tempo, is absolutely one of the hardest things to do.</p> <p>for me, i&#39;m focused on trying to be one with the pulse, just playing great, perfect time. it may be another twenty years, but that&#39;s my goal. </p>
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Sandemose 5334@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I always thought that Kurts piano playing sounded a bit like McCoys playing. Silverwater: thanks for the info and tips! I have realized that I have problem playing 3/4, esp. in fast tempos, I actually tend to lose the &quot;1&quot; at times which is frustrating. Counting the pulse while playing different groupings and polyrhythms should help my sense of periods and time keeping I guess.</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:35:38 +0000
silverwater 5332@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Chords in modal tunes, 3 over 4, for 8 bars. This was an Elvin Jones McCoy Tyner trademark. It&#39;s all over albums like A Love Supreme and the Real McCoy the original recording of Passion Dance. The 3/4 usually manifests itself as two dotted quarter notes from McCoy&#39;s left hand. </p> <p>It&#39;s one of those things I&#39;d heard a million times, but for some reason it didn&#39;t dawn that they were playing 3 over 4 until someone pointed it out to me...it just sounds like some good music.</p> <p>Hint: Over 8 bars of 4/4, you can play 10 bars of 3/4 and have 2 extra beats at the end. I&#39;ve been counting the bars of 3/4 as opposed to counting 1! (2) (3) 4! (1) (2) 3! (4) (1) 2! (3) (4) etc...maybe some people would prefer to do it like that but I just find it tedious. </p> <p>PS: Just listened to Passion Dance again...I think McCoy is doing this for 95% of the tune. </p>
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oddthink 5308@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;ve been working this on 3 over 5/4 thing! (It works out to - every ten 16th-note triplets... [5x6=30 and 30/3=10]). But I want to just feel it, of course.... :) Great thread.... </p>
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Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:29:53 +0000
jorgemg1984 5307@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Worked a lot on bebop articulations on the last two years - attack on the upbeat and slur on the downbeat. Swing comes a lot from syncopation but also a lot from articulation. These articulations are really hard on guitar but worth it in the end :) </p>
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fakejake 5306@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Great thread!<br /> Practicing and achieving a solid yet flexible and musical time feel is one of the hardest things for me to do...</p> <p>Up to now, what I did was:<br /> 1. Practicing bebop heads, getting them to swing as hard as possible in all different kind of tempos<br /> 2. Learning solos note for note and playing them along to the records<br /> 3. Using ideas from the &#39;Melodic Rhythms&#39; book, trying to incorporate them into my playing one by one.</p> <p>I&#39;d love to hear some other approaches on that! </p>
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arewolfe 5305@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;ve really just been working on my swing 8th notes for the past 18 months. I find it very difficult and unnatural at certain tempos to keep long lines in time. Also I&#39;ve been working on 5/4. I can play in 7 with no problems... almost as natural as 4. But 5 is giving me a tough time. </p>