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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: transcribing - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: transcribing - Recent Posts en Sun, 26 Jun 2016 09:57:55 +0000 Gesture on "Sight-Singing and Transcribing Melodies" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/sight-singing-and-transcribing-melodies#post-14113
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Gesture 14113@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>yes it does. Check out Modus Novus if you want some challenging a-tonal ear training. </p>
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Fri, 22 May 2015 21:02:25 +0000
sam 14112@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I have found that singing helps my ear. I took a class in which we had to sing twisted atonal melodies from composers like Bartok, Stravinsky, Schoenberg. Mastering a few of these melodies was more helpful than singing many simple ones, I found. It helped me hear interesting non-diatonic lines in my solos. </p>
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Sun, 17 May 2015 22:47:43 +0000
Jason Sioco 14105@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I recently purchased EarMaster Pro 6 and its on the way. The reason why I purchased the program is because of its sight-singing feature. I did sight-singing at school and I did terrible with the sight-singing component, but I was fascinated by it. I was fascinated because, I saw some famous instrumentalists like Victor Wooten, Janek Gwizdalala, Steve Vai etc, who sings and simultaneously play on their instrument what they sing. </p> <p> My goal is to instantly recognize melodies, just by listening. I have been with musicians, who harness that skill. I felt that singing the pitches and internalizing them will help me with that, but I am not sure.</p> <p> Does sight-singing help with transcribing melodies? </p>
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Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:50:27 +0000
aramaya 13774@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I teach theory and ear training at a small college, and have had some great success getting students to hear chromatically<br /> in about 3 months of work. In my opinion and experience from teaching, if you can sing/hear a major triad,<br /> you can hear the rest of the pitches.</p> <p>From root, 3rd, and 5th you can fairly easily hear the other pitches. 2 and 7 pull towards 1; 4 pulls to 3; and 6 drops into 5.<br /> Once you have this established from the major scale, then work on singing a b7 and b2 (again resolving to 1),<br /> and then #4 and b6 (resolving to 5). The only pitch you haven't learned is the b3, which is in the minor triad.</p> <p>We are at the end of the 1st semester and pretty much my entire class can sing all qualities of triads (Aug, maj, min., dim.), all 7th chords (maj7, 7,-7, -7b5, dim7), all major scale modes, and Harmonic/Melodic Minor. They can also sight sing this stuff<br /> using wide leaps (ex. 1,6,2,7, 9, 3,1)</p> <p>These aren't people who came in with any significant training,anyone can do this in my opinion if it is presented in the right way. The problem students have with hearing larger intervals is the perceived no man's land between for instance the Root and 6. If you hear the triad, this is easily solved, and you are ultimately only listening for half steps and whole steps with their proper resolutions in tact. </p>
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Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:07:42 +0000
Poparad 13772@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The more and more I play, the more I realize that I can get all I need out of transcribing recordings. Transcribing changes is great for your harmonic ear, lines for your pitch. Try singing the line back first before playing it on an instrument or writing anything down. See if you can transcribe a simple solo entirely with your voice and paper. Books can be useful at the very beginning, but pretty quickly, even the best books become a distraction from learning real music in real situations. The more practical you can make your practicing, and the less removed it is from a real performance, the better results you'll get. </p>
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Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:46:09 +0000
Jason Sioco 13771@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I discovered a book on the internet called Ear Training for Instrumentalists by Matt Glaser. I tried many ear training methods and softwares and they all failed to give me a good ear. The book contains 6 cds and I like the content of what's on it, but maybe they are just hyping me up to buy their product. The ear training method that I find most effective are those methods that have singing on it or singing what you play. This book has singing in it.</p> <p>Is this book a cure to give me a good ear or is it another scam? Anyone here using this book or have heard of this book? </p>
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Gesture 13685@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks! I'm about 30 pages into the book and i have the feeling it will be very useful for me. While studying jazz and being constantly overwhelmed with information it's good to have something like this book that really digs deep into the fundamentals of music. </p>
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laruenickelson 13684@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Not really sure how to explain.....in a way it's a more organic way to hear music. A lot of singing but also integrating other things as well...like singing and playing the bass notes and tapping all at the same time. It seems really basic...and it is but I feel working out of this book has made my hearing much deeper and more complete...best book I ever bought. I have even had people tell me they have noticed a difference playing with me so I would say it had a positive effect. </p>
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Sun, 02 Nov 2014 09:23:48 +0000
Gesture 13681@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>IDK about steve vai singing along with his playing but I do know that he used to transcribe Frank Zappa's music which greatly increased his hearing.<br /> The donelian ear training exercises which are discussed on this forum are great but might be a bit 'dry' for some. It's basically singing scales / chords in many different ways.<br /> I find transcribing straight to paper a great way to train my ears. It's a lot of fun and it teaches you vocabulary and other stuff that you wouldn't get from just singing.<br /> Still definitely (sight)sing because you'll want to be able to sing everything before you play it on your instrument.</p> <p>Thanks for the book link larue I just bought it. I was a bit surprised to only find text though. Could you shortly explain how the book works? </p> <p>Cheers </p>
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Sat, 01 Nov 2014 15:56:27 +0000
laruenickelson 13679@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I would say so.<br /> Check out this book---I believe I have improved more in the past year or so since I got the book than in the previous 10. A lot of singing ideas</p> <p><a href="http://www.glenlyonbooks.com/order.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.glenlyonbooks.com/order.htm</a> </p>
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Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:10:05 +0000
Gia5 13678@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I agree, singing is a powerful tool.<br /> You could try this exercise (I was told John Patitucci does it): sing all the seven modes from the SAME root, without an instrument.<br /> When you get good at it, you can move to the modes of melodic and harmonic major. </p>
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Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:10:18 +0000
Jason Sioco 13677@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>It has been proven for hundreds of years, that singing is the most effective method of ear training. There is a big disconnection between you and the music. To make music live inside of you, you need to internalize the tones. We internalize the tones by singing and the tones get connected to your brain. </p> <p>One playing technique that is used by players named Steve Vai, Janek Gwizdala, and Victor Wooten is singing what you play. That means you sing a melody, and the instrument follows simultaneously to what you are singing.</p> <p>I started this approach in my ear training regimen on October 26, 2014, I never missed a day and I believe I am going to the right direction.</p> <p>So the most effective ear training methods are transcribing and singing. I transcribe everyday as well.</p> <p>I could be wrong, but I am interested in what you have to say. </p>
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contremisart 9684@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks a lot for the input guys. Since I am trying to improve both my physical and mental facilities, by the time I am done the with the tune, I hope I will be much ahead of myself now. </p>
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mwtzzz 9673@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Sure you can transcribe a solo, but if you don't understand harmony it's not going to help you a single bit. The only thing you will achieve is being able to play the solo exactly how the guy played it. Which is pretty much pointless because the point of soloing is to improvise things at the moment. </p> <p>So the correct thing you should ask yourself is, why do you want to transcribe and what do you expect to achieve? If you just want to play the guys' solo exactly how he did, then go ahead. Transcribe. You don't need to understand harmony or even be able to read music. All you need is a way to slow down the song and the patience to keep playing it over and over again until you identify every tone.</p> <p>But if your goal is learn how to improvise, then don't bother with transcribing. Learn harmony first. </p>
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Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:20:52 +0000
arewolfe 9672@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><em>"I have very little understanding of chords, scales or harmony. Does that make my mission impossible?"</em></p> <p><strong>Not at all</strong>... this is the best way to learn an instrument in the beginning, IMO. </p> <p>Get obsessed with a song or solo and delve into it so that you play it over and over and over. Even if some (or lots) of the notes are wrong it's still incredibly productive to your dexterity on the instrument to learn new things and repetitively play them over and over. The majority of my melodic dexterity on guitar (single-note stuff) occurred during the first 2 years of my playing, because I was transcribing Metallica songs and solos, and shred metal riffs and solos like Children of Bodom 3 hours a day. </p> <p>And when I say I was "transcribing" I mean listening and memorizing. I wasn't writing anything down on paper. I had little to no knowledge of theory back then. I didn't know how to write music. I didn't even understand how to read TAB. I had never even heard the phrase "ear training." It was just me, my guitar, a cd player, and a remote control with a highly worn out rewind button. </p>
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Neither 9667@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I agree with what you said about what finger are used especially with Kurt (it's hard for me to hear each note of the voicings and the legato) . I transcribed some little things on youtube, using imovie after downloadind some videos using pause and decreesing the speed. And his fingerings are incredible (and unplayable for me). </p>
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mretfasterer 9666@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Obsessively Listen<br /> Memorize it and sing it (@ the same time, hopefully)<br /> Play it (&amp; Write it, perhaps).....<br /> - Playing it is the hardest part for me. Guessing registers on the neck is the worst. I never know how the player played it, and what fingers were used and stuff. ESPECIALLY Mr. Rosenwinkel's guitar playing. He has a different Left Hand Technique than I learned, and his fingerings are WAY different than would have thought prior to seeing his hands!<br /> - I press pause A LOT. One note at a time, most of the time.<br /> I also get a lot out of writing the solo. It helps me with internalizing rhythms, patterns, shapes, etc. I always see things on the page that i didn't see with my ears.(see with my ears, hear with my eyes)<br /> I never know what the notes of a transcription 'mean' until WAAAAYYY after I learn how to play it, hear it, and memorize it.<br /> Perfect pitch helps me WAYYY less than learning new solos does. I learn new solos that I don't know what the notes mean. I am intrigued by new stuff, aurally. </p>
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contremisart 9665@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I guess I will have a long long journey :) </p>
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andyjazz 9664@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Another way of looking at it is to sing what you are listening to; and then play what you are singing. </p>
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andyjazz 9663@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Listen to it; Sing it; Play it. </p>
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patfarlow 9661@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I have a friend with perfect pitch, sometimes ill cheat and get his help with those crazy blurry parts </p>
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contremisart 9605@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>jorge, I love the album version too but I was hoping some visual references could help me from the video:) and thanks</p> <p>patfarlow, thanks for the input. the most difficult parts are where he plays those fluid lines which feels like he's scrambling those eggs and I can't figure which eggs they are :) </p>
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patfarlow 9601@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>It will be easier if you understand what key it's in. It isnt impossible though. However, after transcribing it , you need to figure out why those lines work, and that also takes theory to do. Good luck though, dont give up ! </p>
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jorgemg1984 9597@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>On that specific tune... yeah. The harmony is tough. But if you have the chops / ears you can learn it and just have fun with it - no analysis. Or just ask Kurt for the changes :)</p> <p>Have you listened to the Remedy version? I like his solo even more there. </p>
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contremisart 9596@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello everyone,</p> <p>The reason behind this question is that View from Moscow clip on youtube from 2006. I am addicted to that song and particular solo of Kurt's for years and I really want to play it.. well as much as I can.<br /> So do you have any tips for figuring out solos? Mind you that I have very little understanding of chords, scales or harmony. Does that make my mission impossible?<br /> Thanks,<br /> Resad </p>
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silverwater 6621@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I also make changes when transcribing, and not always because I felt the player intended to play something differently. Sometimes I just think it could have been better, to my taste, if it had been played a different way. </p> <p>If the reason for transcribing is to improve your playing by getting some fresh ideas in your ears and under your fingers, then just do whatever you think will further that goal. </p>
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mattymel 6589@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i always write down what they actually played but take a mental note that (for me) it would have been cooler if they did "this". though i also get the impression that the "mistakes" are often the parts that made me want to transcribe them in the first place. </p>
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Floatingbridge 6587@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Think about the function of your transcription. If it is to improve your skills for notation then go far. There are limitations in notating things accurately any ways. If its not to communicate it to others and it's to get the ideas nder your fingers ( and the notes are correct ) maybe you have it down enough. </p>
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JFB 6584@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>There are no mistakes. </p>
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guitarmageddon 6583@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think you should write what the player intended, as, after all, it's the ideas that count.<br /> I would also suggest that excessively pedantic transcriptions can be a little unwieldy. </p>