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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: ugg sale - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: ugg sale - Recent Posts en Fri, 01 Jul 2016 00:47:37 +0000 JPMike on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-11570
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Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:27:14 +0000
JPMike 11570@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I am not interested in buying it, but I would love to see it. Would you care to post the photos here? </p>
nateroberts on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-11566
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Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:00:49 +0000
nateroberts 11566@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey guys! </p> <p>I'm sorry to be so delayed in responding again. I sort of forgot this forum doesn't email you when people reply to your messages. I will try to get some photos taken in the next few days. </p> <p>Talk soon! </p>
fakejake on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-11545
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Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:31:10 +0000
fakejake 11545@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Nate, could you post a link to some pictures? </p>
jorgemg1984 on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-11544
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Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:26:07 +0000
jorgemg1984 11544@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Could you e-mail me the price? <a href="mailto:jorgemg1984@gmail.com">jorgemg1984@gmail.com</a> </p>
mikelorenz on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-11541
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mikelorenz 11541@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I may be considering selling my Lorraine in the next weeks / months to finance a larger body instrument (potentially Moffa's Virtuoso, or one by Koentopp). Just wanted to put out some feelers and see if anyone around here had any interest? I'm not desperate yet, and I don't want to just put it on ebay. I just thought I'd see if anyone was thinking about getting in line for one. I could maybe save you the 1.5 years wait!</p> <p>Let me know,</p> <p>- Nate</blockquote></p> <p>How much are you trying to sell it for? As I mentioned before, I have one already but it experienced an "injury" due to some drunk clown at a gig this past January. </p>
nateroberts on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-11539
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nateroberts 11539@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I may be considering selling my Lorraine in the next weeks / months to finance a larger body instrument (potentially Moffa's Virtuoso, or one by Koentopp). Just wanted to put out some feelers and see if anyone around here had any interest? I'm not desperate yet, and I don't want to just put it on ebay. I just thought I'd see if anyone was thinking about getting in line for one. I could maybe save you the 1.5 years wait!</p> <p>Let me know,</p> <p> - Nate </p>
jorgemg1984 on "Ear or Scales? ( Deep Topic )" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ears-or-scales-deep-topic#post-9788
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Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:47:01 +0000
jorgemg1984 9788@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>As in most jazz discussion this is in the "one or another" league... why not both? </p>
egav on "Ear or Scales? ( Deep Topic )" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ears-or-scales-deep-topic#post-9781
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Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:41:01 +0000
egav 9781@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>As others have said, do both.<br /> Pete might say that, but he says it cause he has all his shit down. Hes been playing for years, and in this day and age, how could he not?<br /> Hes an ear guy, thats for sure, but just by the way he plays, you know he studied his scales like crazy until he could hear it. There's no way he can play like he does if he didn't study his modes, he alters pretty much every single chord he plays over haha.<br /> And just like pete, theres guys who advocate more the use of scales, but the end approach is the same. Learning scales so you can hear the sound. </p>
silverwater on "Ear or Scales? ( Deep Topic )" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ears-or-scales-deep-topic#post-9764
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silverwater 9764@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Some great explanations on this thread (as always on this forum), not much need to elaborate. </p> <p>Personally, I think this "don't play scales" idea is an inarticulate way for someone to say either "don't rely on fingering patterns" and/or "you should choose notes based on how they sit harmonically" instead of just thinking "I've got the 7 note scales of this scale I can play over this chord", which is limiting and bland.</p> <p>Then, I feel like more experienced players just like to freak out younger players by saying "I don't play scales, I just play by ear". Mythification of legends like Wes as savants who "knew nothing" doesn't help...people still say Louis Armstrong didn't "know anything", which simply isn't true. Learning scales and shit is the natural way to learn how to get to where you're playing by ear, despite what anyone might say. </p> <p>Personally I still like to learn a lot of scales, but I think of them more as sounds to be ingrained (ex. Harmonic major down a M3, or lyd. pentatonic up a M3). Knowledge of the scales helps to transfer the sound to different keys when practicing. </p>
M.L-13 on "Ear or Scales? ( Deep Topic )" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ears-or-scales-deep-topic#post-9720
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Sat, 27 Oct 2012 02:35:26 +0000
M.L-13 9720@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>hal galper is a badass.his concepts on syncopation and rubato playing definitely worth looking into.scales are a vehicle to get you to places.but like hal would say quoting dizzy "think o f rhythm and the rhythm will pick the right notes for you" </p>
sireel on "Ear or Scales? ( Deep Topic )" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ears-or-scales-deep-topic#post-9718
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sireel 9718@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I'm glad I learned my scales and modes thoroughly. I wish I didn't spend as much time practicing them as I used to, but I think you should learn them and then develop your playing around what you hear. Learning your scales can open up all the doors to chords and harmony.</p> <p>Singing what you play is certainly helpful, and it keeps you from just running scales when you improvise. I'm not sure if anyone here knows about Hal Galper and his concept of forward motion. It outlines how to aim for certain notes on certain beats. Possibly this is a topic for another thread, but the idea is that your lines can have an inner melody based on chord tones that land on the strong beats, one and three, and this indicates the harmony regardless of what scales you may be drawing from at the time. In other words, there's an inner logic to good sounding lines and it's not based on scales..</p> <p>Didn't Charlie Parker say to learn all your theory and then forget it? Even if you don't know your scales and modes, you need to have an understanding of harmony to be able to communicate with other musicians. </p>
docbop on "Ear or Scales? ( Deep Topic )" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ears-or-scales-deep-topic#post-9699
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Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:04:04 +0000
docbop 9699@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Scales and ears go together one is the way to practice the other. I would say scales aren't the problem its how people practice scales that is the problem. Once you have a scale under you fingers you need to focus on making music with the scale, playing the scale in a musical way. Also sing what you play to get that scale/ear connection going. Long term it's about ear and playing what you hear in your head, but practicing scales and other things are part of getting those sounds into your ear and cataloged in your brain. </p>
fakejake on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-9681
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Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:16:28 +0000
fakejake 9681@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Wolfgang Muthspiel just received a Moffa as well. As Nico Moffa gets more and more (also well known) customers, his waiting list well get longer and eventually his prices will rise again. Now is the time to get one ,if you ask me. </p>
nateroberts on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-9680
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Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:59:12 +0000
nateroberts 9680@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>For what it's worth, you could consider putting a deposit down and getting on his wait list. If you change your mind in the future, you will not have a hard time selling your spot, so to speak. I "purchased" someone's spot from them, reimbursed him for his deposit and only had to wait 9 months for my Lorraine. Still a long wait, but not nearly as bad. </p>
patfarlow on "Ear or Scales? ( Deep Topic )" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ears-or-scales-deep-topic#post-9676
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Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:36:26 +0000
patfarlow 9676@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I wonder what Kurt would say. On one hand he obviously practices basic harmony very hard and very efficiently. Yet he also mentions metaphysical ideas like catching a comet and riding to the altar of music.....So I have no idea.. </p>
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gleepglop 9675@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think there can be confusion about "studying" something versus "learning" it. Bill Evans can illuminate: he said he never studied scales, he learned them by playing music (meaning written music, primarily Bach and Chopin). </p> <p>When someone says "don't learn scales" what they often mean (whether they know it or not) is "don't use your practice time to <em>study</em> scales" mixed with "don't use scale theory as a substitute for listening and learning <em>sounds</em>". In other words, you should learn them by learning music. But you still need to, in one form or another, learn them. </p> <p>I do think that from a purely technical standpoint on the guitar, you do need to spend some time investigating the peculiarities of fingering presented by different scale options.</p> <p>I also think that everyone is different and it's a good idea to try to find what works for you. </p>
mwtzzz on "Ear or Scales? ( Deep Topic )" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ears-or-scales-deep-topic#post-9674
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mwtzzz 9674@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Playing by ear only is just as bad advice as using scales only. The proper way to learn is both together - in tandem. As you learn harmony you train your ear. As your ear gets better, so do your improvisational skills. It's not just one or the other. </p>
mikelorenz on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-9486
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Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:55:54 +0000
mikelorenz 9486@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I waited close to that long and that was 3+ years ago. Definitely worth it if you ask me. </p>
nowjazz on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-9473
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Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:50:17 +0000
nowjazz 9473@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I'll try:) I did send mr Moffa a mail, but 1,5 year is a long time... </p>
mikelorenz on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-9392
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Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:23:22 +0000
mikelorenz 9392@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I too have a Moffa Lorraine and can say its one of the best things I've done for myself...it's truly a great instrument and always inspiring to play. </p>
nateroberts on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-9346
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nateroberts 9346@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I've got one. Not for sale, sorry, but they are really great guitars and I would encourage you to keep trying to find one. You won't be sorry. </p>
Benny on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-9164
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Benny 9164@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>It's worth emailing Nico Moffa. Occasionally he has an instrument become available at short notice. </p>
nowjazz on "Moffa Lorraine" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/moffa-lorraine#post-9163
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nowjazz 9163@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Send me a email if you have one for sale? </p>
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jbroad 3545@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>a scale is just an available pool of notes. you can do whatever you want with them. </p>
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jimjazz 3544@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Surely the goal is to study and internalise everything and practise it to the point where improvisation becomes a subconscious process, much like a language. </p> <p>When speaking in your first language you probably do not think about the spelling or the dictionary definition of each word as you say it, that would get in the way of you speaking, yet we all go to school and learn how to spell and what the meanings and sounds of the words are. The more vocabulary you learn the more sophisticated your topics and conversations become, over time you internalise it and it becomes natural.</p> <p>You have your topic of conversation (analogy for a chord progression) and you talk about it (improvise) others listen , they engage with you (interact/comp) and the end result is a debate (a piece of music). When ensconced in the conversation you do not think about minor details (spelling/syntax) you just speak, but you studied a lot to get to that point.</p> <p>I guess its drawing a distinction between the practise room and a performance environment (again), study and analyse at home, just speak/listen when your on the gig. </p>
c0ltrane on "Ear or Scales? ( Deep Topic )" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ears-or-scales-deep-topic#post-3541
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c0ltrane 3541@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think it&#39;s possible to improvise purely by ear, but only to a certain extent. Nobody could improvise a solo in the style of Rosenwinkel, Coltrane, etc without any knowledge of scales and modes - BUT guys like Rosenwinkel do it in a way that has lots of feeling attached even though immense knowledge of scales is necessary. The trick is to learn the scales and then let feeling take over. You should use them as a tool to get your musical thoughts out, but not sit at home and practice running scales over and over again if you already have them memorized.</p> <p>I don&#39;t agree with your friend about trying to forget scales. If he didn&#39;t learn all the scales, he might be lost on the fretboard for all he knows, so I think &quot;forgetting&quot; scales is kind of extreme, and not possible once you&#39;ve learned them. Training your ears to help you play meaningful stuff with them is the key. </p>
Sandemose on "Ear or Scales? ( Deep Topic )" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/ears-or-scales-deep-topic#post-3540
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Sandemose 3540@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>lim: &quot;He is saying it because when he thinks about modes, he thinks it&#39;s limiting himself.&quot; (Man, Id love a qoute function on this board, wonder if its possible? :) </p> <p>Either way, Stravinsky once said that if he didnt limit himself, his creativity would just not appear. I agree with that, and I work with music in a similar way. When it comes to this discussion, ears or scales I see it like this: when I practice scales, I listen to them, and by doing that my ears get trained. Sometimes just listening to a scale played up and down can sound so beautiful in itself, a closed system, a little universe of notes talking to eachother, creating expectations and resolving into eachother. I still think all roads lead to Rome. You just need to do what you need to do to get your imagination going...</p> <p>my two cents...</p> <p>Sandemose </p>
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Matt 3538@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>as jorge pointed out, it&#39;s not a waste of time to learn modes and scales, but it is a waste of time to use them. :) </p>
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JorgeRubiales 3537@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Modes are for modal jazz. Period. I get shivers when I hear someone analyze a II-V progression as dorian-mixolidian. If you aren&#39;t going to play, or aren&#39;t interested in modal jazz, don&#39;t study them. Is that easy.</p> <p>For the rest of the theory, if you want to play great you have to learn.</p> <p>In that video, I can see Wes know the fretboard. He plays with the circle of fifths (he plays out of key signatures, &quot;modifying&quot; C major with flats or sharps). But the one doing the harmony and understading what wes wants is the piano player.</p> <p>So, if you want to be like Wes and having to depend of a piano player who understands what you are hearing or playing, don&#39;t study theory and play by ear. If you want to be like the piano player, then study.</p> <p>I took a lesson with Bernstein too, and he knows is changes. What he meant with that sentence is that you study at home, but when it&#39;s time to play you have to use your ears. </p>
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Anonymous 3536@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Maybe I wasn&#39;t clear enough.</p> <p>He was talking about whole tone, harmonic minor, melodic minor, symmetrical diminished scales etc... NOT Major and Minor scale.</p> <p>I&#39;ve been studying scales, modes, ear training, theory , arpeggios, voice leading, sight reading,,etc...for years. I know them pretty well.<br /> and my friend also thinks every single of them is very important. Especially arpeggios. But We just don&#39;t agree with scales and modes.<br /> He is saying it because when he thinks about modes, he thinks it&#39;s limiting himself.<br /> When I first heard that, it was pretty shocking, especially from Peter Bernstein.</p> <p>I asked because I do think that knowing more is better just like everyone but I&#39;ve been hearing it from different people made me wonder why.</p> <p>So, there&#39;s no one thinks learning scales and modes are wasting time? if you do, please tell us why. : ) </p>