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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: View From Moscow - Recent Posts http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Tag: View From Moscow - Recent Posts en Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:35:15 +0000 Hector Cavaliere on "View From Moscow chart" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/view-from-moscow#post-13517
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Hector Cavaliere 13517@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>the download link below don't work, maybe expired... I'm looking for VIEW FROM MOSCOW intro...can anyone share the download?<br /> Thanks a lot </p>
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contremisart 9684@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks a lot for the input guys. Since I am trying to improve both my physical and mental facilities, by the time I am done the with the tune, I hope I will be much ahead of myself now. </p>
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Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:23:08 +0000
mwtzzz 9673@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Sure you can transcribe a solo, but if you don't understand harmony it's not going to help you a single bit. The only thing you will achieve is being able to play the solo exactly how the guy played it. Which is pretty much pointless because the point of soloing is to improvise things at the moment. </p> <p>So the correct thing you should ask yourself is, why do you want to transcribe and what do you expect to achieve? If you just want to play the guys' solo exactly how he did, then go ahead. Transcribe. You don't need to understand harmony or even be able to read music. All you need is a way to slow down the song and the patience to keep playing it over and over again until you identify every tone.</p> <p>But if your goal is learn how to improvise, then don't bother with transcribing. Learn harmony first. </p>
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Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:20:52 +0000
arewolfe 9672@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><em>"I have very little understanding of chords, scales or harmony. Does that make my mission impossible?"</em></p> <p><strong>Not at all</strong>... this is the best way to learn an instrument in the beginning, IMO. </p> <p>Get obsessed with a song or solo and delve into it so that you play it over and over and over. Even if some (or lots) of the notes are wrong it's still incredibly productive to your dexterity on the instrument to learn new things and repetitively play them over and over. The majority of my melodic dexterity on guitar (single-note stuff) occurred during the first 2 years of my playing, because I was transcribing Metallica songs and solos, and shred metal riffs and solos like Children of Bodom 3 hours a day. </p> <p>And when I say I was "transcribing" I mean listening and memorizing. I wasn't writing anything down on paper. I had little to no knowledge of theory back then. I didn't know how to write music. I didn't even understand how to read TAB. I had never even heard the phrase "ear training." It was just me, my guitar, a cd player, and a remote control with a highly worn out rewind button. </p>
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Neither 9667@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I agree with what you said about what finger are used especially with Kurt (it's hard for me to hear each note of the voicings and the legato) . I transcribed some little things on youtube, using imovie after downloadind some videos using pause and decreesing the speed. And his fingerings are incredible (and unplayable for me). </p>
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Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:16:30 +0000
mretfasterer 9666@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Obsessively Listen<br /> Memorize it and sing it (@ the same time, hopefully)<br /> Play it (&amp; Write it, perhaps).....<br /> - Playing it is the hardest part for me. Guessing registers on the neck is the worst. I never know how the player played it, and what fingers were used and stuff. ESPECIALLY Mr. Rosenwinkel's guitar playing. He has a different Left Hand Technique than I learned, and his fingerings are WAY different than would have thought prior to seeing his hands!<br /> - I press pause A LOT. One note at a time, most of the time.<br /> I also get a lot out of writing the solo. It helps me with internalizing rhythms, patterns, shapes, etc. I always see things on the page that i didn't see with my ears.(see with my ears, hear with my eyes)<br /> I never know what the notes of a transcription 'mean' until WAAAAYYY after I learn how to play it, hear it, and memorize it.<br /> Perfect pitch helps me WAYYY less than learning new solos does. I learn new solos that I don't know what the notes mean. I am intrigued by new stuff, aurally. </p>
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contremisart 9665@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I guess I will have a long long journey :) </p>
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andyjazz 9664@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Another way of looking at it is to sing what you are listening to; and then play what you are singing. </p>
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andyjazz 9663@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Listen to it; Sing it; Play it. </p>
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patfarlow 9661@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I have a friend with perfect pitch, sometimes ill cheat and get his help with those crazy blurry parts </p>
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contremisart 9605@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>jorge, I love the album version too but I was hoping some visual references could help me from the video:) and thanks</p> <p>patfarlow, thanks for the input. the most difficult parts are where he plays those fluid lines which feels like he's scrambling those eggs and I can't figure which eggs they are :) </p>
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patfarlow 9601@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>It will be easier if you understand what key it's in. It isnt impossible though. However, after transcribing it , you need to figure out why those lines work, and that also takes theory to do. Good luck though, dont give up ! </p>
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jorgemg1984 9597@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>On that specific tune... yeah. The harmony is tough. But if you have the chops / ears you can learn it and just have fun with it - no analysis. Or just ask Kurt for the changes :)</p> <p>Have you listened to the Remedy version? I like his solo even more there. </p>
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Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:35:27 +0000
contremisart 9596@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello everyone,</p> <p>The reason behind this question is that View from Moscow clip on youtube from 2006. I am addicted to that song and particular solo of Kurt's for years and I really want to play it.. well as much as I can.<br /> So do you have any tips for figuring out solos? Mind you that I have very little understanding of chords, scales or harmony. Does that make my mission impossible?<br /> Thanks,<br /> Resad </p>
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sandman 4425@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I was looking for a transcription of view from moscow to corroborate some stuff, and came across this thread. This is way old so, and also many many people have already cleared this business up for the most part. But I&#39;d thought I&#39;d give my two cents anyhow, My thought is that this chord is sort of like a modal cluster type thing implying Bb lydian, (or like a Bb power chord type business with a #11, same same but different). This is in line with what most folks have been saying and the fact that kurt is playing c maj triads over this in addition to the fact that Bb triads sound good here. </p>
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Sun, 28 Nov 2010 09:20:10 +0000
Skott 3359@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hi, just watched a vid of K R G performing &quot; View from Moscow&quot; and Jazzbum was right about the chord. I was going crazy trying to transcribe the 4th chord. Here is a link to the vid:</p> <p><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xf0xl9_kurt-rosenwinkel-group-view-from-mo_music" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xf0xl9_kurt-rosenwinkel-group-view-from-mo_music</a> </p>
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Mon, 31 May 2010 18:07:55 +0000
jazznan 1692@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>yep, thanks </p>
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geetarted 1691@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Cool.. Thanks! </p>
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denjz 1690@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?3n11zgilrjj" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediafire.com/?3n11zgilrjj</a> </p>
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jazznan 1689@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Denjz, could you please post the link again, it&#39;s gone? thanks </p>
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jazznan 1688@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Kurt, any chance you could take 2 secs and clear this up for us? Thanks! </p>
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Anonymous 1685@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey guys, I recently transcribed this tune and I had some trouble with that &quot;wtf&quot; chord as well. Obviously the E is a common tone between all of the chords so that stays on top and the Eb is always played by the bass. But I also hear an A in there in the chords and in solos. So what I came up with was Ebmaj7(#11/b9). It sounds right when I play piano along with the recording. </p> <p>Also, as far as that F#11 chord goes, I usually like to write is like so: F#7(11omit5) I feel like you lose the quality with the 5 in there but have found that the 9 and 13 sound great! What do you guys think? </p>
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Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:26:10 +0000
jazzbum 635@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I would ignore the Eb for the most part and treat it as a Bb triad with an added sharp 11 on top. You could play Cmaj Pent (for a lydian sound) or Bb Major pentatonic for a more consonant Gmi13 sound. </p>
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Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:56:55 +0000
Sandemose 634@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>denjz: man, I never ever paid attention to this chord, even if Ive heard the tune hundred times. Its one thing to come up with &quot;new&quot; chords, but its even harder to make them fit into a tune. Esp. if they are this disonant. </p> <p>Im only guessing, but might it be som Ebmajor chord (like Eb, F, Bb, D) but in this case, the major seventh (D) is replaced by the b9 (Fbb?). Like Ebadd9addb9 (no third, no seventh?). I also wonder if it could be a C dominant chord (no root), with the major third (E), the #9 (Eb), minor seventh (Bb), sus4 (F)? which is what you mentioned in your original post. I havent checked it out the chords mileu or context, maybe the answer is to be found there? </p> <p>best, Sandemose </p>
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denjz 633@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think you&#39;re right Jazzbum - the notes in the chord are F,Bb and E with E flat played by the bass.There are a few times you can hear the chord clearly during the drums solo.</p> <p>I don&#39;t even know how to call this monster... </p>
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jazzbum 631@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>That chord in bar twenty is:</p> <p>Bb F Bb E </p> <p>I&#39;m pretty sure of this. I&#39;m not sure what to call it, but I think I learned it from River Man by Nick Drake. Pinky on Bb at the sixth fret, bar with first finger on the 3rd fret and add the third finger on the E at 5th fret. Hope that helps. </p>
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denjz 629@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>here&#39;s the link ones again:</p> <p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/file/zl4dn3mdyoi" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediafire.com/file/zl4dn3mdyoi</a> </p>
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Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:55:11 +0000
denjz 612@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Yeah, eSkills , your version is essentially the same as mine: F#11 means that both 3rd and 4th are present in the chord,so this is what I called F#7sus(add3)<br /> Fmaj7 against G bass gives us G13sus which is what I wrote (probably the bass player sometimes plays G,sometimes F there).<br /> G#m(b6) is just another name for E/G#,so...<br /> But there&#39;s still this chord...the &quot;wtf..?&quot; one.I can definitely hear Eb appears in the base a lot of times,and then there&#39;s Bb,E and maybe C.I&#39;m not sure...In the solos both Kurt and Mark often play C major arpeggio over it.So what is this?</p> <p>Sandemose: I teach ensemble classas at the music high school here in Jerusalem and some of my students really dig all that modern stuff, like Kurt and Mark Turner.On the other hand they&#39;re not advanced enough to play something like Zhivago,so I try to pick tunes that would be easier to blow over.This one doesn&#39;t seem very hard: you can stay in A minor most of the time,except the last section...that very section we can&#39;t figure out :) </p>
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eSkills 611@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I don&#39;t have an instrument here so can&#39;t accurately check now, but when I tried transcribing this tune, I heard the B section (starting with F#susadd3 in your chart) as not a repetition. Let me check if I can find it.</p> <p>Edit: Yes, found it. I decided to write the B section as such, there is probably a lot of errors though:</p> <p>F#11 | G 13 | Cmaj7(#5) | wtf...? |</p> <p>F#11 | Fmaj7 | E/G# | Am(add9) </p>
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Sandemose 610@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>denjz: your students should be happy for having you as a teacher. Man, how advanced are they by the way? I havent seen through it, but I will, but I downloaded it and just looked at it. Thanks alot for sharing, its really generous!</p> <p>best, Sandemose </p>