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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Topic: Knowing hundreds of standards? http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Topic: Knowing hundreds of standards? en Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:05:03 +0000 moontrane on "Knowing hundreds of standards?" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/knowing-hundreds-of-standards/page/2#post-5955
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moontrane 5955@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>you've got to love the songs and respect that they need to be known. so much of the younger generation is entirely without a desire to learn the most basic currency of jazz, its disheartening. There's something especially deep in the old songs, a certain melodic identity that only comes out of songs from that era. That being said these days its certainly just as important to know as many standards as you do bop heads, Wayne shorter tunes, Stevie wonder etc. A working professional is not going to play stablemates at a wedding, you know? Not everyone wants to learn all the tunes but people who don't really know jazz very well are going to want to hear tunes like take five or girl from ipanema. </p> <p>I think i have spoken my piece to the extent that it can be, i hope that what i said was helpful. </p> <p>Don't be jive! Learn tunes and learn them well. </p>
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Anny Mouse 5951@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Great advice Moontrane. Best yet. That's really the only way. </p> <p>The problem some players face with this is they'd rather learn from the book real quick because in reality they don't actually love listening to standards... unless they're being played by their favorite player...and then it's really more about hearing (ie. Kurt) play Inner Urge, than actually loving the tune Inner Urge. Then they run the risk of playing the tune like (insert name here) plays it, rather than having a reference of 10+ people who play it to draw from. </p>
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moontrane 5948@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>you turn it into ear training by listening to it a bunch of times and singing along, trying to the best of your ability to figure it all out in your head before you get to your instrument. By that time the key won't really matter so much. Eventually you get to the point where hearing something is like seeing something, your mind will observe sound before it quantifies it with a label, i.e feeling that a note is a sharp eleven instead of calling it as such. In short your ear becomes faster than your mind and sensation becomes more important than identification. Also if you ever want to know hundreds of standards you'll have to throw out the book or at least only keep the table of contents. Learning tunes off of a page gets rid of the aural and most important step to learning a song. Instead of hearing and playing, you are playing than hearing which at least for me ruins the tune for me. </p> <p>The best way to get started with this is to take a few standards (my one and only love, autumn leaves etc) and listen to them over and over until you have the words and melody memorized and then try to get the chords. Listen to the bass line and try to pick out what the chord qualities are and how they relate to the melody. In the beginning this will be frustrating and slow but by about the fifty count you'll be quick enough at it to not need the book. </p> <p>Aside from the notable harmonically fancy standards like you stepped out of a dream or a green dolphin street type tune the rest are very very simple (i guess i'll have to change my plan, pennies from heaven). I think that anyone can do this with patience and dedication. </p> <p>Always try to learn the regional repertoire, that's what will really get you. aside from that its enough just to take joy in melody and learn the tunes you like. </p>
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TruthHertz 5941@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thank you Neither. VERY helpful! Just between you and me though, I always thought of this in andante, and he's obviously taking this at least allegro if not presto (just look at how many passengers are zipping along with him) and he MUST have added extra measures at the end to compensate for this. Last I looked, this was NOT an improvisational piece. And if you time it, it's actually a tiny bit over 4'33. Now if I might add 4'35 to my list of "tunes I know" then ka-ching! I just learned another tune. Heeeeeeeyyyy, that means I can know an infinite set of derivative pieces. I just found out how I could learn 5,000 pieces. No sweat.<br /> I'm the MAN!!<br /> David </p>
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Neither 5939@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>LOL !<br /> Frank Zappa recorded 4'33'', but I'm not sure he played guitar on it (in A Chance Operation: The John Cage Tribute, on the Koch label), maybe he was only singing...<br /> Anyway, If you want to transcribe 4'33'' for guitar, there is a recording (poor quality) on youtube :<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQhXN1UFbU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQhXN1UFbU</a> </p>
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TruthHertz 5938@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>By the way, there's an Aebersold volume that outlines the primary DNA structure of standard tunes and constructs some good permutations. I think it's called How To Learn Standards or something like that. It directly addresses the fact that tunes are pieces of a finite number of familiar structures put together in different ways.<br /> Somebody should do a study for short story writers of how many sentences they know. Maybe the sheer number would discourage new writers from ever starting because the number is so high.<br /> I used to learn a new tune whenever I felt I needed to. I'd hear something on a CD, I'd figure out the key, the form, where the turnarounds were, what kinds they were, what happens in the bridge, and just listen and really enjoy the tune. After I got the melody so I couldn't get it out of my head, this is a tune I felt I needed, right? I'd play it by ear.<br /> Now I'll admit that more modern tunes aren't nearly as easy as the old standards. A tune of Binney's or a Kurt or Mark Turner head is really helpful to have a chart to but after a little while it is made up of familiar things. </p> <p>All that was fine and enough for me... until this thread. Now I feel my tune weenie is just too small. I need to learn more tunes! Get my tune count up! So I decided to learn kids tunes, they're standards everyone knows. It's an easy way to get your tune count up! I just learned Pop Goes The Weasel. I've got it in 9 keys so far, so in 3 days I've got my count up 9. Hey, this is not bad after all. Next is Mary Had a Little Lamb. I think that's gonna be easy as long as I can find the tab for it. I just bought John Cage's 4'33 but it's in standard notation. I'm going to have to find a recording of that, cheat a little and learn that one a measure at a time. Then learn that in all 12 keys. Anyone know a guitar recording of that piece? I can learn that tune just for comping.<br /> I'm gonna have a scary number of tunes by the end of the year.<br /> David </p>
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jorgemg1984 5937@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Nothing replace your ears... </p>
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washabaugh 5936@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>What are people's opinions on Ralph Patt's "Vanilla Book" in term of accuracy? </p> <p><a href="http://www.ralphpatt.com/VBook.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ralphpatt.com/VBook.html</a></p> <p>I use this, wikiphonia, and the real book to try to seem what a tune has going on. Any other resources that people find helpful??? </p>
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silverwater 5935@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Yeah Joxo &amp; Din...I agree with you both. If you don't really like a tune you're going to have a hard time memorizing it. I'm sure I can still play every part on Stairway to Heaven or Comfortably Numb even though I haven't attempted to in a decade.</p> <p>TruthHertz, Moontrane: I get using your ear to help you remember tunes...I don't really have a method for doing this, but if you do I'd like to hear it. </p> <p>In fact it would be cool to hear how some people actually go about learning tunes. My method is just: Play it with the book, then play it without the book. </p>
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moontrane 5928@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>if you make it all into ear training it gets pretty hard to forget stuff </p>
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Din 5918@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Learn music that makes you happy to play, it's easy. </p>
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Joxo 5917@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>ok, knowing several 1000 songs is all good. Knowing a lot of theory , all about jazz history , recordings, classic solos to. </p> <p>In my experence all that knowledge is not always displayed in the playing. Thats whats matters to me. Information is nice but focus on making music based on what u got and add stuff to expand your musicality, not to win the jazzquiz .... </p> <p>Learn tunes u like. Learn tunes that can help you progress as a player. And sure, learn tunes to be able to play with others. Forget about the amount of songs and the fear of not knowing. Focus on music. /J </p>
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TruthHertz 5916@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>The quote I hear all the time is "learn it. Then forget it." I'm always learning them, really knowing them, then forgetting them, really forgetting them. I figure it's like people are always telling me "Don't keep pictures in your camera, you're going to want to take a great picture and then you'll be out of memory." My tune brain is like that. </p> <p>Seriously though, each time I learn a tune, I learn it by changes, by ear, by feel, by eye (the page), by kinesthetic relationship with the instrument, but the ear thing is by far the most important. Tunes I remember from my childhood I remember note for note. Those lessons on piano I read from the page, not really. Has anyone addressed just how important good ear training is in learning a tune? That's where your music memory gets its filing cabinet. Train your ear, each time you learn a tune, it not only makes the filing cabinet bigger, but it fine tunes the filing system. It makes your retention better, you see commonality more clearly. It moves you towards the "universal tune" you develop in your mind. That's the value of learning lots of tunes, in my opinion.<br /> David </p>
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silverwater 5911@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Yes, I did. </p>
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guitarmo 5906@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>If you are forgetting tunes often, did you every really know them?? </p>
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laruenickelson 5905@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Well everyone forgets stuff--Jack told me he had to relearn Lush Life 3 times. And now he would be 75 or 80 so I'm sure he has lapses in his memory. Also--the standards he knew were mostly easier than the stuff by Wayne and Herbie and those guys. I think the thing that helps me the most is playing the tunes on a regular basis---even just at home . </p>
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silverwater 5903@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Well I guess I'm going to have to take your guys' words for it that people can know that many tunes. That's pretty incredible. </p> <p>It's not so much the learning part that impresses me, (anyone can learn a couple tunes per week for 50 years) it's the retention part that boggles my mind. I'm not 30 yet and I estimate the amount of jazz tunes I've leaned to be around 1,000...but how many of those could I play perfectly right now, chords/melody/soloing, without taking a quick peek at a chart? 10%, at MOST. All those tunes by Wayne, Joe, Woody, Herbie...those tunes are freakin' hard. Yeah you can memorize Beyond All Limits and One Finger Snap and Virgo...but to play stuff like that at a gig from memory after not playing it for a couple years, hell even a couple months, is impressive. I even spaced it on Confirmation at a gig last week, and I used to play that song all the time. </p> <p>Well I suppose the bright side is I've managed to identify another weakness that needs attention. I don't think memorizing 5,000 tunes is a realistic goal for myself (or most people), but at least I know there's room for improvement. </p>
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monk 5888@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey laruenickelson, thanks for the reply :)</p> <p>I would think that the very basic knowing of a tune is to be able to perform it solo with intro - make the changes clear - ending .. then as time goes by, make it more refined and sophisticated and true to oneself and connect more and more emotionally</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYl-hZlApQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYl-hZlApQ</a> </p>
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jorgemg1984 5887@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>really? miles ears were so legendary... :/ but i guess stella`s wrong chords come from his arrangement. I think Peter Bernstein used to go to the NY Library to get the original standards sheet music and arrange it from there. </p>
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laruenickelson 5885@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Avoid Miles' versions---they are often wrong. Two examples off the top of my head ---"When lights are low" and "well you needn't". one of the few benefits of being a jazz musician in florida is that I've had the experience of playing with some good, retired jazz musicians---like John Laporta,Bob Haggard (who wrote "What's New) Dick Hyman(semi-retired because he still does a lot) Buster Cooper and John Lamb (both former Ellington)and a bunch of others and they would always gripe about Miles' changes and about the wrong changes that younger people play. You should start learning the tune from the original piano music or a recorded version of the composer playing it if you can and then compare it to other versions to see what they did. </p>
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jorgemg1984 5884@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Another VERY important thing- learn the right changes! Transcribe from good versions - Ella Fitzgerald, Miles, Coltrane, Jarrett, Kurt, Bernstein... guys that usually play a lot of standards and know them! Dont learn tunes from the Real Book, you will be in trouble when playing with serious cats - 90% of the standards are played with different changes from the ones in those books. </p> <p>Oh and another important way of learning tunes is not using sheet music and getting the habit of playing from memory... You will get the form much more internalized and the habit of following the bass... you get lost more in the begging but after some time it really pays up! And you interact much more and your solos can anticipate what is going to happen instead of just reacting...</p> <p>In sum: transcribe the changes from a good record; learn the melody by ear; memorize it!</p> <p>As a side note I tried to go to a jam session recently and there were maybe 5 or 6 guys on stage, all reading from the real book... I didn't even stayed long enough to know what tune it was because I so pissed - that's exactly how not to learn standards and how those are people are all lying to themselves by going to jams and read a poorly transcribed song from a book. Of course the playing really sucked for the two minutes I was there... </p>
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guitar1025 5881@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Something else to remember, a lot of times (I'm assuming most, if not all, are guitar players) we are not required to know the melody, us being harmonic instruments; especially at a jam where there are at least 4 or 5 horn players playing on the same tune. I'm saying this as a fact, not an excuse. OF COURSE when we are learning a tune we learn everything about it; melody, harmony, learn it other keys. By the way, someone above echoed this sentiment that working with singers is a great way to learn tunes in other keys. My girlfriend is a singer and she knows a bunch of tunes in (what I would call) weird keys. A lot of times, you stumble on things that you've never realized. For example, play Stella as a ballad in the key of A. It completely opened up a different side of a tune that I had played a million times before.</p> <p>I don't know how many tunes I know. I find that when I go to a session, I never really have any tunes in mind, but I can confidently say that about 6 out of every 10 tunes that someone does call I will know. Plus another thing that I notice is that because I know a decent number of tunes, if someone calls one I don't know (and we're talking about "standards"), it will sound similar enough to something I already know and my ear can figure out the differences. Also, I ALWAYS go home after a session and, at the very least, look at any tunes that were called that I didn't know, even if it's 4 or 5 in the morning.</p> <p>Anyway, that's enough babbling. Take care guys!! </p>
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moontrane 5879@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>all it would really take is learning fifty songs really well, that would put your ears and mind into new space. I believe that if you learned fifty songs in all twelve keys it would make it much easier from there. learning tunes off of records helps as well. the idea is just to make everything into ear training so that its not so much a question of memory as it is of intuition. </p>
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laruenickelson 5878@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>silverwater---I assure you it wasn't bullshit. Think about this---if you learn only one tune a week every year for 40 years that would be at least 2000 tunes. But Jack didn't just learn 1 tune a week---his practice routine consisted of learning and working on tunes. And Jack had come up in a time when you played at the least 5 gigs a week. First in Boston when he taught at Berklee,then when he taught at North Texas he played constantly, as well as lots of studio work in Texas. And Jack would actively try to remember any tune he played at a gig and anything he recorded---even jingles-- and he knew a lot of Beatles tunes even(back when the beatles were not thought of that highly by most Jazz musicians).Jack's idea was that tune learning gives you a strong melodic resevoir of melodies to draw on. So i think 3000 would be low and it was probably more. </p>
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gleepglop 5877@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>While I don't know 5000 tunes, I definitely think it's possible. It's all about how good your ears are. The better your ears, the better your musical memory. At a certain point, you don't remember tunes as "data", to use Silverwater's term, but just as music. If your ears are good enough and you remember the music, then you know the tune. </p> <p>I didn't understand this when I was younger, but as I got older and my ears improved it made more sense how some guys could just "know" almost any tune.<br /> I can easily see how someone with even better ears would basically be able to play any tune they've heard more than a few times. </p>
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jorgemg1984 5876@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Its obvious I have never seen him play 5000 tunes but I have seen him play tons of standards by memory... You can call almost any tune on a jam and he knows it (and in in the tone you want also). And I have no reason to believe he is lying about knowing 5000 tunes - but this guy is really phenomenal, he is not comparable to a "normal" person...</p> <p>When he lived in NY he would play jam sessions EVERY night for hours and hours and hours... he must have played thousands of standards there, he lived for 5 years in NY I think... and here in Lisbon he plays several jam sessions a week and I know he always wants to play new songs... he has been doing this for at least 15 years - its not hard ti believe he knows 5000 songs.</p> <p>But his ears and memory are far superior to a regular person... </p>
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silverwater 5875@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Maybe it's true, but I'm still having trouble buying that someone can instantly recall much data without being some sort of savant... Have you actually seen 5000 him play songs from memory? I doubt it because the sheer amount it would take is crazy.</p> <p>If you played 3-4 gigs every week, 10 songs a gig, it would take you roughly 3 years to play 5000 songs. </p> <p>You're telling me that there are people out there who could play 3-4 gigs a week for 3 years, and never repeat a tune, and never have to crack open a book?</p> <p>Man if that's true I feel like a 2nd grader trying to take AP Calculus. </p>
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jorgemg1984 5874@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Its not bullshit - a guy here in Lisbon knows around 5000 standards by memory and he is 35 or something like that... I had classes with him and I have seen him in a lot of jams and he KNOWS any standard / bebop / hard bop song you can ask. Melody and harmony on the spot... I don't think he has photographic memory - he is incredibly smart and he plays jam sessions 3 / 4 times a week (for the last 15 years maybe). Oh and he also has the biggest ears I have ever seen... that might help him memorizing too. </p>
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silverwater 5873@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>"My teacher Jack Peterson knew several thousand (he was 65 when I studied with him)."</p> <p>I call bullshit on this. "several thousand" would be, at minimum, 3,000 songs. That would mean he could recall instantly the changes/melody to enough tunes to fill roughly 8 Real Books. For this to be possible it would require a photographic memory or some other kind of ability not bestowed on the majority of people.</p> <p>Even if you've memorized 3,000 different songs throughout your life, how many of those have you played in the last 5 years? The last 10 years? Let's say you've been playing from memory 2,000 songs during the last ten years of your life, which is A LOT of tunes. That would mean you have 1,000 songs that you can bust out without looking at a chart, even though they haven't crossed your mind for 10 years. That would be a rare talent indeed. </p> <p>Anyways, here's my input on memorizing tunes: </p> <p>When you go to a jam session or play a gig with people that you don't rehearse with or play with consistently, there are some core tunes that people will expect you to have memorized. I've heard some people (professionals) put the number as low as 50, some put it at a couple hundred. Personally, I think about 100 is fine. </p> <p>Like moontrane said, you certainly don't want to be "that guy" at a jam session who only knows blue bossa and body and soul. But if someone calls something a bit obscure or with, there's not a damn thing wrong with glancing at a book to refresh your memory, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. </p>
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moontrane 5872@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>30 tunes is pathetic, even 50 is too few. i'd say that 300 is even too few. come on, dont be the jive guy at the jam who knows blue bossa and body and soul only. if you want to be good at this you need hundreds. </p>