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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Topic: Mark Turner voiceleading exercise http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Topic: Mark Turner voiceleading exercise en Sun, 26 Jun 2016 09:57:46 +0000 jorgemg1984 on "Mark Turner voiceleading exercise" http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/mark-turner-voiceleading-exercise#post-8311
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Wed, 15 Aug 2012 04:29:23 +0000
jorgemg1984 8311@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I liked Bill's interview - really honest. But not much tips to practice that's true. </p>
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Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:27:25 +0000
jazzheavendotcom 8302@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for your input!</p> <p>Pre-order: too much heat &amp; expectations.<br /> Wouldn't wanna go there.</p> <p>@filters sorry, I will stick to my guns and no more ETAs whatsoever.<br /> Things already got kind of unpleasant when promised deadlines were broken. (And I can understand the frustration of that.)<br /> So now I rather keep it clearly defined as "no ETAs".</p> <p>Interviewer: I fully agree with you.<br /> I always tell/offer the artists to ideally bring someone who is more intimately familiar with their work than me.<br /> Sometimes they took it, sometimes they didn't.<br /> (Sometimes, imho, I would have done a better job than the interviewer they brought. ;P<br /> Not that I claim to be a Charlie Rose myself... Just doing it so it happens.)</p> <p>The Bill Stewart/Mark Turner/Abercrombie interviews were done before JazzHeaven.com launched or produced stuff, so there was less professional ambition &amp; production quality involved (and no video), so I just knocked them out myself.<br /> Again, in principle, I agree with what you wrote. Somebody who is very familiar with their work and plays the same instrument ideally should do it.<br /> But, for what it was, I think those three came out well also.</p> <p>(Did get one hate mail saying something like "the Bill Stewart Interview was really bad. You should have not released it. Etc."<br /> Oh well, can't please everybody... And I respectfully disagree.)</p> <p>Best,</p> <p>Falk </p>
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Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:58:03 +0000
filters 8299@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I second that about Jesse Van Ruller. Truly mind blowing.</p> <p>My top 3 instructional videos : 1) Kurt Rosenwinkel 2) Mark Turner 3) Aaron Parks or Lage Lund ! </p> <p>The preorder thing is right ... but having like an idea is good too (4, 5, 6 months?)</p> <p>I think part of the teaching is coming from the interview so it's a very very important aspect of it. </p>
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Tue, 14 Aug 2012 03:22:04 +0000
Chris 8296@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Jesse Van Ruller. He's the only one even close to Kurt in my opinion. I love Ben Monder's sound though.. Wouldn't we all love to see Monder and Rosenwinkel play a duo concert. That would blow my mind into a million pieces. What if Eric Harland was on drums. My imagination is going wild.</p> <p>Falk, thank you so much. The Bergonzi DVDs are beautiful. Getting Mark Turner in there eventually would be fantastic. Also I think you should allow people to pre-order DVDs even if the premieres are still undetermined. It might get some folk off your back, while getting more revenue to speed up production or grow your business. I'd be down..</p> <p>Also if you do more interviews, try getting an interviewer who is a student, fan, or colleague of the interviewee. I think it would make things a bit more personal and the questions would probably be more precise. For instance, a drummer should interview a drummer, or a tenor player should interview a tenor player. I know you did this with the Begonzi Dvds, but not with the free interviews or the Lee Konitz Dvd. Hope this helps!</p> <p>All the Best! </p>
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Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:25:44 +0000
patfarlow 8290@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>if your going for all the best up and coming guitarists, Julian Lage must be added to the above list. </p>
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Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:57:28 +0000
Neither 8287@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Yes a video by Kurt Rosenwinkel on chords (on standards) and a video of Mike Moreno (how to play pentatonic that doesn't sound like pentatonics ?) </p>
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Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:43:00 +0000
jazzheavendotcom 8286@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>@filters Noted. ;) Thanks for the suggestions!</p> <p>FYI, in-depth (50/60-minute) interviews are already part of the program on each of our instructional videos. </p>
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Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:10:06 +0000
filters 8285@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Some suggestions :</p> <p>-instructional videos by Kurt Rosenwinkel (especially chords), Mark Turner, Nir Felder, Mike Moreno, Aaron Parks, Danny Grissett.<br /> -including some in-depth interviews and maybe some short documentaries. </p>
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Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:35:02 +0000
jazzheavendotcom 8284@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>@benjaminira my pleasure. Glad you enjoyed it!</p> <p>@patfarlow - can't blame you - I know this seems to be taking forever.<br /> But... we are a *tiny* operation and we go for really nice production level.<br /> And it takes quite something to release a nice &amp; shiny (and gitch-free) product.<br /> Plus, fyi, we shot 31 projects already. And only 9 are released.<br /> So, stuff can only be processed and released bit by bit.<br /> Think of it like a small winery - we may not put out much - but when we do, it's gonna be GOOD. ;)<br /> Thanks for your patience!</p> <p>@docbop - thanks for your support! And I am glad you are getting good stuff out of it!</p> <p>We actually already had a shoot date for an instructional video with Mark (with basically Voice Leading as the topic...) - but then some schedule conflict came up and it never happened so far.<br /> I am still interested in doing it, and I am pretty sure Mark is still open to it as well.<br /> But as mentioned above, we have a decent backlog, so gotta first work that off before we shoot any new projects.</p> <p>Best,</p> <p>Falk </p>
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Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:30:35 +0000
docbop 8281@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I have both the Jerry Bergonzi DVD's and lots of great practice ideas.</p> <p>Matt dyad is the right term. Dyads are basically two notes that imply a chord in Jazz typically the 3rd and 7th of a chord. </p>
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Sun, 12 Aug 2012 07:28:03 +0000
Chris 8277@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I would love to hear the fullest extent of the practice approach Mark Turner describes. The beginning ideas seem simple but essential, yet he seems to elude to a bigger picture which he never quite elaborates on. Its funny how the interview is an hour long yet Mark drops this small piece of his routine on us in a few seconds (which def opened doors and ideas for me), but I wish he gave us a conclusion or wrapped up the ending instead of just being like, "It gets more complex as you continue". What a great guy for doing the interview, and thanks to Falk for putting it out there for <u>free</u>. The Abercrombie one cracked me up when he was talking about Dreams and all the bad fusion recording he did ala Mahavishnu..</p> <p>Where do you guys think Turner was eventually going with this practice routine/etude?</p> <p>Will someone please analyze Kurts chordal approach simply, like Mark did with his routine... </p>
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Sun, 12 Aug 2012 06:39:12 +0000
jorgemg1984 8276@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Why? </p>
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Sun, 12 Aug 2012 00:49:50 +0000
patfarlow 8275@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i dont think the gilad lesson will ever come out </p>
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Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:50:19 +0000
jorgemg1984 8274@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Good - I have been waiting for a long time to hear Lage's ideas. You could also do an 1-hour interview with Kurt :) </p>
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Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:41:00 +0000
jazzheavendotcom 8273@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Glad you are enjoying the interview with Mark (and the other 2 with Abercrombie &amp; Bill Stewart). </p> <p>To answer your question re Lage &amp; Gilad instructional video release dates:<br /> Working on them, but no longer giving out ETAs, since too many things can cause delays... and then people are rightfully upset over broken promises. So, it's live when it's live. And that will be in the coming months...</p> <p>Best,</p> <p>Falk </p>
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Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:30:08 +0000
Matt 8271@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i think he means triads, not 'diads' </p>
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Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:14:08 +0000
mrzzajjazz 8270@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I have no idea when it comes, I'm sure looking forward to that myself:) </p>
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Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:41:01 +0000
jorgemg1984 8268@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey, I heard the interview - all three actually. Great stuff, I wish Mark talked more about ear training.</p> <p>I usually do the Continuous Scale Exercise on tunes I practice but Mark's stuff go much deeper...</p> <p>When will the Lage Lund be released?</p> <p>Thanks! </p>
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Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:50:16 +0000
mrzzajjazz 8267@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Anyone of you guys checked out this exercise? (got this from an interview at jazzheaven):</p> <p>"Okay. Well, for example for voice leading: there are a few versions, and it<br /> gets pretty complex. But I would say one is you could just try something that<br /> has voice leading and ear training in it. For example, take any tune, let’s say<br /> a standard. But it’s something that you know, that you have memorized, that<br /> you have no doubt as to what the chords are and that you know for sure.<br /> Not something that’s kinds of vague, but rather something that you really<br /> know. And then, start on any note, randomly. Just pick a note that’s not the<br /> note that you usually start on. In other words, not the key that you usually<br /> play it in. Start playing the melody. So that’s the first thing. Just be able to<br /> play any melody from anywhere and any key without even thinking about it.</p> <p>Just do it. Then once you got that handled, then play the bass notes and the<br /> melody together. Of course, if it’s a single line instrument, if that’s the thing<br /> that you wanted to do and play, you’re going bar for bar… melody-bass<br /> notes, melody-bass notes, or vice versa. Or any combination thereof, so you<br /> can start to hear the relationship between bass and melody. And then, as<br /> you do it, then play melody, thirds and sevenths and bass. And when you<br /> play the thirds and sevenths across, you’re gonna have melody, third or<br /> seven, vertically speaking, and bass at the bottom. So you wanna have the<br /> thirds and sevenths moving smoothly and smooth voice leading. In other<br /> words, that means: you don’t wanna move anymore than a step. And in<br /> some cases you may have to move more than a step but if you can avoid it,<br /> you wanna keep it smooth voice leading as much as possible. So that’s the<br /> first thing and just go through that, so that you can do it without any<br /> hesitations. Just keep doing it. In other words, it’s more difficult than it<br /> sounds to do it without hesitation in any key, whatsoever.</p> <p>So then, the other thing you wanna try is the same thing: melody, bass<br /> notes, and pick just one note in the middle, so you basically have three<br /> voices. The other one, it’s more or less 4 voices: melody, bass note and<br /> then one note in the middle, smooth voice leading. Best to start with thirds<br /> and sevenths. And then basically, you wanna keep as many common tones<br /> as possible, this middle voice. Keep it completely smooth. And then the last<br /> version... It gets more complex, but another version is: you do the same<br /> thing, not with the melody, and go through bass notes... We already did<br /> thirds and sevenths, but you could take the bass notes. And then, one<br /> voice, just do diads, through the tune, and you can have the voice going in<br /> upward motion or you can try the voice going in downward motion.<br /> Whenever you need to move up or down, you should pick a consonant<br /> interval. In other words, an octave, or a fifth, sixth or something like that, to<br /> move up or down. Eventually, you’re gonna exceed the range of your<br /> instrument, so you wanna watch that. Anyway, so that’s the beginning, and<br /> to do that, in any key. If we keep going, the exercises get more complicated<br /> and more difficult with the voices and all that."</p> <p>Check out the whole interview at jazzheaven.com- it's great stuff :)</p> <p>-mrzzajjazz </p>