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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Topic: Neck exercises. http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Topic: Neck exercises. en Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:01:54 +0000 Bob McBobbington on "Neck exercises." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/neck-exercises#post-1630
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Sat, 08 May 2010 19:06:46 +0000
Bob McBobbington 1630@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <br />
Colonel Trane on "Neck exercises." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/neck-exercises#post-1629
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Sat, 08 May 2010 09:54:54 +0000
Colonel Trane 1629@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I think you guys bring up a good point with the tunes and I do the same thing. I spend much more time improvising and playing through tunes than I do running scales and other excersizes. Animitta I see what your saying with that and you are lucky to have been able to study with Jon. I hope to be able to do that soon. </p>
animitta on "Neck exercises." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/neck-exercises#post-1628
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Sat, 08 May 2010 08:19:58 +0000
animitta 1628@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>In regards to usefull way to practice scale:<br /> I had the lucky to be a Jon Damian&#39;s student during 3 summer master classes to whom i have participated and i remember a really usefull study that Jon gave to us. He called that the Zorro&#39;s scale, i think you will soon understand why : )</p> <p>This is the exercise from Jon&#39;s words:</p> <p>You pick one scale ( F Major in this example ) and move along one string at time. When moving to a next higher or lower position use an efficient fingering. Generally 3 notes per position. When moving to a higher position shift to the first or sometimes 2nd finger from finger 3 or 4. When shifting to a lower position shift to finger 3 or 4 from finger 1 or 2. There are many possiilities.</p> <p>Zorro Scale F Major</p> <p> (Fingering)</p> <p> 1 2 4 1 2 4 1 2 4 4 2 1 4 2 1 4<br /> E|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> B|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> G|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> D|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> A|---------------------|---------------------|------15---13---12---|-10---8----7----5----|<br /> E|-1----3----5----6----|-8----10---12---13---|-15------------------|---------------------|</p> <p> (Fingering)</p> <p> 2 1 0 0 1 2 4 1 2 4 1 3 4 4 3 1 </p> <p>E|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> B|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> G|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|------15---14---12---|<br /> D|----------------0----|-2----3----5----7----|-8----10---12---14---|-15------------------|<br /> A|-3----1----0---------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> E|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|</p> <p> (Fingering)</p> <p> 4 3 1 4 2 1 0 1 3 1 2 4 1 2 4 4</p> <p>E|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|----------------13---|<br /> B|---------------------|----------------1----|-3----5----6----8----|-10---11---13--------|<br /> G|-10---9----7----5----|-3----2----0---------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> D|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> A|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> E|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|</p> <p> (Fingering)</p> <p> 3 1 4 2 1 3 1 0 1 2 4 1 2 4 1 2 </p> <p>E|-12---10---8----6----|-5----3----1----0----|-1----3----5----6----|-8----10---12---13---|<br /> B|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> G|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> D|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> A|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> E|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|</p> <p> (Fingering)</p> <p> 4 4 2 1 4 2 1 4 2 1 0 1 2 4 1 3</p> <p>E|-15------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> B|------15---13---11---|-10---8----6----5----|-3----1--------------|---------------------|<br /> G|---------------------|---------------------|-----------0----2----|-3----5----7----9----|<br /> D|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> A|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> E|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|</p> <p> (Fingering)</p> <p> 4 1 3 4 4 3 1 4 2 1 4 2 1 0 0 1</p> <p>E|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> B|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> G|-10---12---14---15---|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> D|---------------------|-15---14---12---10---|-8----7----5----3----|-2----0--------------|<br /> A|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|-----------0----1----|<br /> E|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|</p> <p> (Fingering)</p> <p> 2 4 1 2 4 1 2 4 4 2 1 4 2 1 4 2</p> <p>E|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> B|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> G|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> D|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> A|-3----5----7----8----|-10---12---13---15---|---------------------|---------------------|<br /> E|---------------------|---------------------|-15---13---12---10---|-8----6----5----3----|</p> <p> (Fingering)</p> <p> 1 0</p> <p>E|---------------------|<br /> B|---------------------|<br /> G|---------------------|<br /> D|---------------------|<br /> A|---------------------|<br /> E|-1----0--------------|</p> <p>You can use this concept on other scale, Melodic Minor, Pentonic and so on.</p> <p>Last but not least i will definitely raccomend the Jon Damian&#39;s books, not only for scale but for many many usefull things and inspiration:</p> <p>The Guitarist&#39;s Guide to Composing and Improvising<br /> The chord Factory</p> <p>Hope it helps.</p> <p>All the Best<br /> Animitta</p> <p>P.S Unluckily the tab is not clear but i can pubblish a pdf file or guitar pro one if someone is interested. </p>
Sandemose on "Neck exercises." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/neck-exercises#post-1627
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Sandemose 1627@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>This topic is so hard. I used to spend alot of time practicing different stuff, trying to investigate all possibilities and so on. I didnt get better at all. I developed a decent tone and touch, but not really musically. From now on, I only work with tunes, and if I work with scales, Im more into finding new sounds and ways to applicate those on the tunes I currently work on. I work hard with triads, their inversions and combining different bass notes. I also work hard on my hybrid picking. Its an techniqal aspect that have been totally neglected for me. Its an amazing tool, and I find new sound possibilities Ive never thought of. Ben Monder of course is a big inspiration (on all levels), but his right hand is &quot;the Thing&quot;. Same with Tim Miller, but also Gilad Hekselman and Lage Lund, and Mike Moreno (!) have great right hands. I love playing chords through keys with one open string using hybrid picking. Like in E lydian (B major):</p> <p>--2----4-----6-----7-----9-----11----12-----<br /> --0----0-----0-----0-----0-----0------0-------<br /> --3----4-----6-----8-----9-----11----13------<br /> --1----2-----4-----6-----8-----9-----11------<br /> --------------------------------------------------<br /> --------------------------------------------------</p> <p>Good topic, even if its hard, and I tend to talk more about practicing than practing myself ;)</p> <p>Best,</p> <p>Sandemose </p>
cruxtable on "Neck exercises." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/neck-exercises#post-1626
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Fri, 07 May 2010 20:09:11 +0000
cruxtable 1626@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i prefer a bit of a less structured approach... i usually work out any fretboard weaknesses when i just sit down and improvise, noodle around with scales and arpeggios, try to follow my ears and fix anything that isn&#39;t working in my fingers..take scales and arpeggios up and down, using different string sets and combinations...just try sitting down and doing it! make it musical! </p>
Colonel Trane on "Neck exercises." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/neck-exercises#post-1625
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Fri, 07 May 2010 18:24:40 +0000
Colonel Trane 1625@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>In regards to the four note per string one lets say I&#39;m working with a major scale in C. I start with the open low E since that&#39;s the lowest note available in the key and play E F G A on the low E string, then go to A and play B C D E and then down to the D string and so on until I hit the highest note available in the given key, in this case it would be D on the 22nd fret of the high E string. Then I go backwards and repeat this through all keys. The Kurt one involves dividing all 12 keys into 4 subgroups based on the Coltrane system of major 3rds. Kind of like Kurt&#39;s Cubism. Anyway so say your groups are C E Ab C# F A D F# Bb and Eb G B, (I know theirs no consistency of flats and sharps there but you get the picture) So I&#39;ll start with a C major scale and play the first 4 notes C D E F now my key center is going to shift to E so I play the closest note in E major then continue the pattern so it would go F# Ab A B now I&#39;m in Ab major and so on until you&#39;ve gone through each key. I also will do this with all types of scales besides major and with intervals and arpeggios just thinking diatonically in each key center. I also will switch around the pattern so maybe it would go A F C# F# D Bb B Eb G Ab C E just so that it&#39;s always a fresh thing to help my mind see any type of shift in key as rapidly as possible. I hope that made sense...... </p>
JtV on "Neck exercises." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/neck-exercises#post-1624
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Fri, 07 May 2010 17:10:17 +0000
JtV 1624@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>This sounds interesting. Colonel Trane could you give a more specific example. I like to hear what people are doing in regards to practicing.</p> <p>Thanks </p>
Colonel Trane on "Neck exercises." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/neck-exercises#post-1623
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Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:27 +0000
Colonel Trane 1623@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I don&#39;t know of any books but the ones Kurt uses in that clinic are excellent. I even take it a little further playing different intervals and arpeggios through artificial key changes like that. Also try taking scales 4 notes per string across the entire neck of the guitar starting on your lowest note and ending on your highest note then going backwards. </p>
Quintricacy on "Neck exercises." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/neck-exercises#post-1620
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Quintricacy 1620@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>So after listening to Kurt&#39;s clinic from 2006 (thanks Sandemose!) I was wondering does anyone know of any books that deal with complete neck exercises for scales and arpeggios. This is definitely one of my weaknesses. I tend to gravitate towards familiar positions all the time for every chord or certain types of shapes. Especially for most chords in melodic minor. </p>