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Floatingbridge 1483@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>This is not totally related and also may seem very basic.<br /> In doing the original excercise, when hanging out in various positions for a while we really start getting the various shapes and sounds and transitions in us. I started taking a motif ( just some short idea) and in this case ( we can percieve the harmony as ascending : G-,A-,B-,Db-,Eb-,F-) instead of taking the idea &quot;uphill&quot; , going &quot;downhill &quot; with it. Maybe not starting on the exact same tonal point as for the first chord&#39;s tonal point or even an exact transposition necessarily - but following the contour of the idea and dealing with where I&#39;ve placed myself as the chords change while keeping the idea&#39;s momentum and shape; again, going in the opposite &quot; direction&quot; of the harmony&#39;s &quot;direction&quot;. </p>
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geetarted 1465@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Nice ideas here. I like to stack minor pents in 5th&#39;s. Over Cmaj i could start with a concept in Bmin then F#min, the take the exercise down a maj 3rd to Dmin the Amin. Good fun over just Cmaj. </p>
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Floatingbridge 1458@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>thank you for posting such an invigorating exercise. i have felt stuck and had been on youtube checking out many players that have a certain way of moving things around and what feels like flowing through and generating structures and rubic&#39;s cubing them around and had been in awe of : rosenwinkel ,tim miller,nir felder or say gary versace&#39;s keyboard solos. this technique has opened things up for me a bit.<br /> i just started with this and think its great . i also did something which adds a step to the process and you might find neat.since i just started i am practicing very slow and then am basically doing 2 chords per bar and soloing with sixteenth notes. then i started to play maj7 ideas a 1/2 step higher than the min 7 chord ( for one beat) eg: over the progression with each chord lasting for 2 beats {gmn7 Amn7}{Bmn7 Dbmn7} {Ebmn7Fmn7}play:{Abmaj7 Gmn7 Bbmaj7 Amn7}{Cmaj7 Bmn7 Dmaj7 C#mn7} etc, 1beat each. clearly you coud use other types of chord other distances away from target chord . </p>
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Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:11:31 +0000
animitta 361@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello,<br /> i have just uploaded a youtube video about the second part of Kurt Rosenwinkel&#39;s italian clinics on pentatonic.</p> <p>You can find the video here:<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9h5Z7w3HwQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9h5Z7w3HwQ</a></p> <p>Here you can find the transcription:<br /> <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/22272340/rosenwinkel-s-pentatonic-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/22272340/rosenwinkel-s-pentatonic-2</a></p> <p>All the Best<br /> Animitta </p>
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Anonymous 276@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m not a guitarist, but I&#39;m enjoying all of this from a theoretical standpoint. I should try to apply this to the bass... </p>
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animitta 244@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello,<br /> i did the second part, standard notation and tab, of the italian clinic and uploaded that here: </p> <p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/22272340/rosenwinkel-s-pentatonic-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/22272340/rosenwinkel-s-pentatonic-2</a></p> <p>I have not yet wrote the fingering cause this time i need to think about more and i am a little lazy : ).</p> <p>Maybe i will post a youtube video about this second part.</p> <p>All the Best<br /> Animitta </p>
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Sandemose 225@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Here it is:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4qo-hWroY8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4qo-hWroY8</a> </p>
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animitta 224@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hy Sandemose : )<br /> I have seen your video and it&#39;s quiet a nice exercise.<br /> Until now i have not yet tried to play through the changes, i have just did the transcription, that i have just uploaded on youtube, and now working on the second part of the clinics.<br /> I will post that later.<br /> I don&#39;t catch exactly about wich Kurt&#39;s video you are talking about, can you send me the link?<br /> All the Best<br /> Animitta </p>
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Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:55:24 +0000
Sandemose 223@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Animitta, goodie goodie! :) That first phrase have I heard Kurt play before. In that old video (the one earlier than on the road...Kurt in DC I think?) you can hear Kurt warm up before the gig with almost that exact phrase :)</p> <p>Have you tried to play through the changes as well? I get busted all the time, loose track on where I am and get pushed around quite alot. But its a fun exercise either way.</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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animitta 222@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>This is a short video about the Kurt&#39;s pentatonic italian clinic:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q8Pl-jSz5s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q8Pl-jSz5s</a></p> <p>I just did a fast try of the almost complete first part, the one starting on 39 secs.</p> <p>All the Best<br /> Animitta </p>
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Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:26:51 +0000
Sandemose 219@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Me pratcing the excersise:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGL4y8tJWE0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGL4y8tJWE0</a></p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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hitdoggie 217@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Cool it&#39;s Jake! </p>
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Sandemose 204@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hey Jake, glad to see you here again. Take care, see you around :) Best, Sandemose </p>
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Anonymous 203@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>It&#39;s a common thing now adays which is breaking back to Trane when he was dividing the Octave semetrically. I hear not only Kurt doing this but Kreisberg and Rogers and a lot of the &#39;now&#39; cats.</p> <p>This works great with anything, not just Minor pentatonic scales, and really it works super well with even just Major Scales, you are getting further away from keys, but with a structured line you can weave in and out of keys seemlessly.</p> <p>btw Hi to a lot of peeps I remember seeing from the old board... just found out KR had a site/forum.</p> <p>word </p>
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Anonymous 185@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I agree its a really good way to work out an aspect of playing changes, it feels like the guitar equivalent of running a warm up lap before you play. One thing i like to do is play odd phrases, like 3 notes in A min pentatonic, then 5 notes in B min. Or 5 notes in A min then 3 in B. Or think about putting tones that are shared in both scales in key places. </p>
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Sandemose 184@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Monk: yeah, you´re right about that. I love the sound of the pentatonic scale and this is one way (of thousands) to explore it. Sometimes you have to take longer way around to find something completly different from what you were searching for in the first place.</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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monk 181@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>wow cool, im glad that you guys took my comments positively !</p> <p>Yeah, but just a side comment - my teachers always ask me something when I play something - &quot;Does it sound good?&quot;</p> <p>I mean, if it does, then go ahead my friends! Personally, I would prefer to transcribe some lyrical lines instead. They speak more!</p> <p>Just to add on to the ideas here, one could play combine all minor pent a minor third apart and use them over dominant, minor and major chords. Some coltrane martino ideas here </p>
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Neither 167@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Animitta,</p> <p>I agree with you : fingering is a personal thing and everyone is unique. I didn&#39;t want to say there is only one good fingering for each musical line. But there are some better than others for everybody. And I supposed you had transcribe the line with the fingering you saw Kurt used on the video (it&#39; a very difficult thing for me, but i can see the area where he plays)... I think fingering is a matter for every guitarist. And I would be very interested seeing the ways Kurt used to finger this kind of things. 1rst, because fingerings affect the sound of musical lines. 2nd, because some kind of innovative musical lines needs sometime some particular fingerings (and Kurt is The innovative jazz guitar player !). 3rd because there is not a lot of things about it in musical literature... And Ted Greene methods gave me some invaluable benefices, especially because of the fingerings.<br /> I saw sometimes incomprehensible tablatures (maybe because it had no fingering allowing me to inderstand it). It doesn&#39;t mean i&#39;ll necessary copy the same fingering than Kurt. But like when a guitar professor makes a lesson, it helps when he shows solutions. Then you choose and take what interests you... That&#39;s why, anyway, your personal fingerings interests me a lot too !<br /> I just wanted to point fingering is more precise than tablature and one is made in order to help people reading and the other to suggest a way playing it on the fingerboard.<br /> Maybe you&#39;ll think i&#39;m a kind of monomaniac ! but fingering is a great interrogation for me at this time (as sound - but I think I discovered some personal solutions for this problem after listening and seeing Kurt Rosenwinkel, Mike Moreno, or Lage Lund who helped me a lot to go where I want to go - or time feel are). I&#39;m in a sort of musical crisis which concerns fingerings. I feel I must review some logic and habits i have with fingerings if I want to play the ideas I mentally develop.</p> <p>Thanks a lot for sharing your transcription<br /> best,<br /> Neither </p>
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Sandemose 166@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I try not to spend to much time with devolping a fingeringsystem (even if it probably would help). I rather play things at slow tempos to let those aspects as fingerings fall out on their own. I rather think of positions, for me, it works out best this way:</p> <p>Gm<br /> -------------------------1-3--<br /> ---------------------1-3------<br /> -------------------3----------<br /> -------------3-5-------------<br /> ------1-3-5-----------------<br /> -1-3-------------------------</p> <p>Am<br /> ---------------------------3-5--<br /> ----------------------3-5-------<br /> -----------------2-5------------<br /> ------------2-5----------------<br /> -------3-5----------------------<br /> --3-5---------------------------</p> <p>Bm<br /> -------------------------2-5----<br /> --------------------3-5---------<br /> ---------------2-4--------------<br /> -----------24------------------<br /> ------2-5-----------------------<br /> -2-5----------------------------</p> <p>C#m<br /> --------------------------2-4---<br /> ---------------------2-5--------<br /> ----------------1-5-------------<br /> -----------2-4-----------------<br /> ------2-4-----------------------<br /> -2-4----------------------------</p> <p>Ebm<br /> ---------------------------2-4--<br /> ----------------------2-4-------<br /> -----------------1-3------------<br /> ------------1-4-----------------<br /> -------1-4----------------------<br /> --2-4---------------------------</p> <p>Fm<br /> -------------------------1-4----<br /> --------------------1-4---------<br /> ----------------1-3-------------<br /> -----------1-3-----------------<br /> ------1-3-----------------------<br /> -1-5----------------------------</p> <p>I search for halfstep shifts (probalby not slides, since I dont like that sound very much, a rather prepere my hand/fingers to avoid it, if possible), different sequences and stuff like that. I never practiced it by playing one scale up and shift on the way down etc. That happens as well when just playing/practicing it as it is. I really love the sound of this. Sounds very Kurtish, which is alot of pentatonic moves among other devices. </p> <p>best, Sandemose </p>
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animitta 165@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello to everyone, i did the upload as suggested by Neither, this is the link: <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/21986377/rosenwinkel-s-pentatonic" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/21986377/rosenwinkel-s-pentatonic</a></p> <p>Hope it could be usefull. For sure it is just a personal interpretation, maybe still with some mistakes. i will check for errors later, now i am tired : )</p> <p>If i have infringed some copyright just let me know and i will immediatly remove.</p> <p>All the best<br /> Animitta. </p>
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animitta 164@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hy Neither,<br /> i can write the fingerings too, and i will. i just think that fingering is a really personal subject. I am not Kurt Rosenwikel and also if i try to play an exercise from him this does not mean that, also if i know his exactly fingering, that will fit to mine personality and phisical structure : ). So in my humble opinion, fingering is an help, as the tablature, but cause my hand is not like yours and not like the ones of Kurt, the best way to practice is to try to find my fingering on the same exactly notes and work hard on that. Everyone is unique on this earth : ).</p> <p>BTW: is it legal to upload a file on scribd, also if it&#39;s a original file on a Kurt&#39;s clinic?</p> <p>Just let me know about and i will post, i already opened an account there.<br /> Thanks<br /> Animitta. </p>
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Neither 163@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I had used some spaces to figure the fingerings just under the TAB but it has been canceled when published.<br /> So you must read :<br /> -----------------------5-8--<br /> -------------------5-8------<br /> --------------5-7-----------<br /> ----------5-7---------------<br /> -----5-7--------------------<br /> 5-8-------------------------</p> <p>1 4 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 4 1 4<br /> V--------------------------</p> <p>1 3 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2<br /> VI-------------------------</p> <p>1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3<br /> VI--V-------------VI------</p> <p>2 4 2 4 2 4 2 4 2 4 2 4<br /> IV-------------------------</p> <p>And for the scribd link, you must leave the ) on the end. </p>
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Neither 162@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>animitta,</p> <p>Just one thing about tablature. I know it helps people who don't read music, and it restricts the fingering posibilities. But for people reading music it doesn't figure the fingerings. An exemple : take the most known pentatonic pattern, A minor.<br /> ----------------------------------------5--8--<br /> ---T------------------------------5--8--------<br /> ---A------------------------5--7--------------<br /> ---B------------------5--7--------------------<br /> ----------------5--7--------------------------<br /> ----------5--8--------------------------------</p> <p> 1 4 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 4 1 4<br /> V</p> <p> 1 3 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2<br /> VI</p> <p> 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3<br /> VI V VI</p> <p> 2 4 2 4 2 4 2 4 2 4 2 4<br /> IV<br /> For the same tab, 4 different fingerings (and you can combine them !) !<br /> All this 4 fingerings have an interest (it depends on the context and intention). The 1st and 2nd fingerings will be more often used by most of guitar players and the last is limited and difficult (staying in IVth position, this is not the more evident fingering but we would have to change the tab). So, it would be better for me you write the fingerings. And I would pay to have Kurt fingerings on what he plays (and/or the logic of his fingering choices) ! [Digression : I hope that Kurt will write the fingerings he uses on his guitar method (as Ted greene did). It would help a lot]. I'll write later a more consequent post about fingerings (I work hard on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd bergonzi's methods and it needs a lot of work to play it on guitar).<br /> That said, for sure your transcription interests all of us, I suppose... even without fingerings. Thanks to take the time to share.<br /> And you can publish your files as PDF on Scribd (<a href="http://www.scribd.com/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/)</a>, for example.<br /> Sandemose , thanks for your answer.<br /> Best </p>
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Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:47:40 +0000
animitta 161@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello to everyone, i am a new user and i am glad to have found this nice forum.<br /> I have just finished a TuX Guitar file ( <a href="http://tuxguitar.herac.com.ar/)" rel="nofollow">http://tuxguitar.herac.com.ar/)</a> done upon the transcription that could be found here: <a href="http://somuchsound.blogspot.com/2009/07/kurts-sonic-goes-pentatonic.html" rel="nofollow">http://somuchsound.blogspot.com/2009/07/kurts-sonic-goes-pentatonic.html</a>.<br /> The file i did is in standard notation and tab. For now just the first part, the one starting at 39 sec of the youtube video: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uLnw6O8hUQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uLnw6O8hUQ</a>.<br /> If someone is interested about the file just tell me how to post that, cause i don&#39;t know : ).<br /> All the best<br /> Animitta </p>
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Sandemose 158@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Neither: I hear you. Ive been working on this quite hard for about a year now, using band in a box to program the changes. I think its important to have a goal. For me flow is far more important than speed. Tonelength, touch, just getting a beutiful tone going. That fingering problem give me trouble as well. Esp. when you want to play longer lines (like over 5-6 bars or something) without stoping. I quickly run out of fingers. But (almost) everytime I practice this I discover something new since if you play one bar per pentatonic scale, you´re just forced to. Maybe I will film it and put it on the tube. </p> <p>Great links by the way Neither! They helped alot!</p> <p>Best, Sandemose </p>
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Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:20:57 +0000
Neither 155@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>See here :<br /> <a href="http://somuchsound.blogspot.com/2009/07/kurts-sonic-goes-pentatonic.html" rel="nofollow">http://somuchsound.blogspot.com/2009/07/kurts-sonic-goes-pentatonic.html</a><br /> <a href="http://somuchsound.blogspot.com/2009/08/kurts-sonic-part-two-pentatonic-revenge.html" rel="nofollow">http://somuchsound.blogspot.com/2009/08/kurts-sonic-part-two-pentatonic-revenge.html</a><br /> The problem for me is the choice of fingerings. I tried working with bergonzi&#39;s method but it takes a lot of time for me determining fingerings to play with). </p>
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Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:46:24 +0000
hitdoggie 153@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I like this backwards in whole steps from G....you can resolve your line real nicely on that minor pentatonic up a whole step from the root of the minor chord. All this tension than a really loose inside sound </p>
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Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:46:11 +0000
Anonymous 152@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i think of it as stretching out the harmonic monotony. i also like to use it when playing free </p>
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Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:10:26 +0000
Colonel Trane 150@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>When you use these patterns is it to create an outside sound or are they just to help you see pentatonics across the fretboard? </p>
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Anonymous 118@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Math planing can be used in many ways. I abandoned the pentatonics for a while and it inspired me to use them again. I like to blow lines with Bb, Db, E, G (minor thirds) over the first bars of rhythm changes. I generally employ these concepts whenever the harmonic rhythm becomes stagnant. I may use an array of scales from each of these tonics but generally i am more of a chord tone with chromaticism guy so hearing kurt doing it with min pents made me want to use them again. To get the lines flowing you got to really have the CAGED thing down. It is not something that is just for meaningless practice. It is just another avenue for new sounds. You have to artificially create the major scale first to be proficient at improvising with it. right?<br /> Some guys do triad pairs over a chord. (For a V moving to a I or i {G7alt to C or Cm} one triad pair for the G7 could be Db (b5, b7, b9) and Eb (#5, 1,#9). These two pairs are just a fraction of possibilities. But I like to start simple first to pay my dues so I chose these two major triads. Everybody can arpeggiate a major triad right? It was very conceptual at first but now it really flows. And most importantly, sounds BAD ASS. </p>