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The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Topic: Taking My Playing Up A Level. http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ The Kurt Rosenwinkel Forum » Topic: Taking My Playing Up A Level. en Wed, 29 Jun 2016 21:43:39 +0000 add4 on "Taking My Playing Up A Level." http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/topic/taking-my-playing-up-a-level#post-291
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Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:32:24 +0000
add4 291@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>My teacher makes me do what paul said, with a structure. to me, playing your scales and modes, with patterns, and try to develop a vocabulary out of them is a great key to develop the ability to play over changes. after following that approach for a moment, i am currently discovering i am able to play over changes now rather than staying static as your described it.</p> <p>the teacher thing might help a lot if you find someone good and don&#39;t want to loose too much time figuring out how you should practice a particular thing. To me a good teacher teaches you a method to learn new material, and assimilate it.</p> <p>good luck :) </p>
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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:12:09 +0000
Colonel Trane 281@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>I second getting a teacher but a lot of it depends on how you learn. I learn things a lot quicker if someone is showing and explaining it to me than if I&#39;m reading it from a book and trying to figure it out for myself (though I do that too). A teacher can turn you on to things that you wouldn&#39;t find yourself which is another plus. Learning standards is really good advice too I highly reccomend that. </p>
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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:19:08 +0000
111 280@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Good luck with your quest! </p>
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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:23:12 +0000
Michael.Andrew.Gleason 279@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for all the responses, I really appreciate it. I just feel kind of overwhelmed with all this and not sure exactly how to approach the next level.</p> <p>Lauren - that book looks great, thanks. And Paul - thanks for laying it out straight. Riverstooge - a good idea. And 111 - it&#39;s on the list! </p>
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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:43:17 +0000
riverstooge 272@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>In my opinion the best way to learn the language is to learn and memorize some standards. Monk, Trane, Ellington, Miles...maybe one a week. Look up how other people play it, like Monk&#39;s &quot;Round Midnight&quot;....there&#39;s Monk&#39;s version, the Miles Davis version, Rosenwinkel&#39;s version, Ella Fitzgerald version (which is insane). Also yeah, find a good teacher, preferably who&#39;s playing your respect and admire. Always good to play with people too, especially if they&#39;re better/more experienced than you. As scary as that is sometimes, it&#39;s the tradition. There really isn&#39;t any shortcuts (at least that I know about). Take care </p>
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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:02:37 +0000
111 269@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Find a good teacher. </p>
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Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:21:36 +0000
cruxtable 267@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>i don&#39;t pretend to be a master at this, but here&#39;s my take:</p> <p>transcribe! anything you can hear those guys playing, you could potentially play - just figure out what they&#39;re playing and how it fits in - or how it doesn&#39;t fit. transcribe and analyze - make sure you know how each note fits in harmonically and rhythmically. </p> <p>make sure you know all your scales - the 7 modes of major, melodic minor and its modes (some of those modes are used almost never), harmonic minor (and modes, if you&#39;re ambitious), whole tone, and especially DIMINISHED! i hear so many guys using diminished scales and patterns to play over dominant chords (such as gilad&#39;s triad lick at 4:13 on this video: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYqaiEicGjs)" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYqaiEicGjs)</a> - know the 4 major triads that fit in a diminished scale, which you can then use over a dominant chord in soloing or comping (for a dominant chord you play the diminished scale starting with a half step, starting from the root of the dominant, if you don&#39;t know this already)</p> <p>a lot of these guys - especially kurt - practice these scales using patterns - which is a good way to learn the scales and get a lot of vocab. pick a pattern, like 1-3-5, 1-3-5-7, 1-2-3-5, 1-3-2-4, etc. (or any pattern you hear someone using) and learn how to play it fluently through any scale, any mode. and do it backwards, any way you can think of.</p> <p>there&#39;s a lot more advanced techniques that i don&#39;t know about, such as maybe playing over a chord with pentatonics from different keys, so you get different sounds, but my advice is just to take whatever you hear that you want to be able to play and learn how to use it..just gradually start building a vocabulary from those guys and eventually you&#39;ll have to end up sounding like them..that&#39;s my goal, at least..if you take your favorite licks from everything you hear, eventually you&#39;ll sound exactly how you want to sound.</p> <p>for chord voicings, if you&#39;re interested, check out vic juris&#39; book on modern chords - covers a lot of different chords in a small book. covers triads, stacked polychords, and mostly different structures you can use for comping. i hear a lot of guys using those structures - gilad, lage lund, mike stern, vic juris (of course) probably kurt and ben monder. also, any chord you hear one of those guys you like playing, just transcribe it an analyze it, and then you&#39;ll know it! </p>
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Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:20:08 +0000
Anonymous 266@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Check out this book by Bruce Saunders---it helped me out alot.</p> <p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Melodic-Improvising-Developing-Motivic-Through/dp/0786668458/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1257823169&amp;sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Melodic-Improvising-Developing-Motivic-Through/dp/0786668458/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1257823169&amp;sr=8-2</a> </p>
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Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:09:50 +0000
Michael.Andrew.Gleason 265@http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/forum/ <p>Hello, everyone.</p> <p>I am a guitarist seeking to take my playing to the &quot;next&quot; level. My ear is pretty good and my reading is decent, sight reading is passable but certainly needs improvement. I do gig, and certainly do very well in the style I play in, but it doesn&#39;t keep me satisfied.</p> <p>I currently play in a style similar to that of Kenny Burrell, Grant Green, etc. ... kind of a soul-jazz feel. Most of my improvising is based on staying harmonically static (play in a key rather than over harmonic changes).</p> <p>I want to gain the knowledge and skill to be able to play over changes confidently with fluidity, with a kind of modern voice that you hear in guys like Kurt, Pat, Gilad Hekselman (Check that cat out if you haven&#39;t, unbelievable) ... that kind of contemporary sound ... very sharp angles, almost geometric yet organic.</p> <p>Any suggestions about how to take this next step? What concepts should I employ, how do I practice this, any books, etc? I appreciate your help very much.</p> <p>Michael </p>